out-of-province application to McGill

Hi, does anyone know what kind of stats are competitive for out-of -province applicants to McGill? (Realistically, I mean competitive enough for interview and acceptance). I'm a grad student with GPA about 3.85 and MCAT total 34, is this good enough?

Is your 3.85 GPA your undergrad GPA? Assuming that is the case, then you may well have a shot at McGill. Your MCAT score is pretty decent and ditto for your GPA. I believe however that McGill admits 5 OOP (could be wrong though) and even admits mroe US students than OOP ones. So, it is very hard to know with such a small number of invites if your stats are good enough. You have pretty decent stats so I would give it a go, I am sure that some OOP with your numbers have been admitted in the past.

Just eyeballing your post, those look like pretty good numbers to me. Perhaps try calling up McGill, and asking them if they can share with you any statistical data on successful OOP applications in the past few years. I think MEDCOMPSCI is right in that they allocate some spots for international (read: American) students, but perhaps getting in as an OOP is still possible.

Ian
UBC, Med 3

I remember reading a table somewhere deep in the McGill medicine site about admission statistics. True, only 5 or some ridiculously low number of out-of-provinces were accepted, but there weren't that many applicants, either. I think overall, the acceptance rate for OOP's was around 1 in 7 or 1 in 8 or so. This is roughly the same as the acceptance rate in Ontario, no? That being said, the acceptance rate for Americans/internationals was 1 in 4 or 1 in 3, and there were around 35 spots for them. This is a whole shelf of cans of worms, but it really pisses me off how few OOP spots there are at McGill compared to American spots. I mean, everyone complains about the brain drain, yet no one mentions how many foreign doctors are trained here, probably with no intention of staying here to practice. It all boils down to money....maybe there are other issues, maybe I'm just bitter.

I have spoken to people at McGill, and even have a friend who is very good friends with heir cheif of surjury, and it seems that they prefer the American school system better than those outside Quebec. Plus, a lot of those people admitted are not forgien; they are just Canadian students who opted to do their undergrad in the US. Also, since McGill students match well in the US, they can save the money by applying as an in-province applicant, and then high-tail it back to the US.

Only makes one think that if Canada paid docs like in the US, would all of this even be an issue?

You're probably bitter as most people are, but you're also right (which explains the bitterness I guess).

Speaking to guys who got in from the states (read actual americans) they said that the only reason they came to McGill is because tuition is WAY cheaper and they still get a competitive match in the states. They have no intention of staying in Canada. I think (and this is my opinion only) that McGill is way more interested in keeping its international rep than actually providing a quality education for Canadians. That's why they accept so many foreign students while skimping on student resources.

Never said I wasn't bitter...

Have a good one.

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aren't international students charged more at mcgill? i.e. does the province/country subsidize their education?

imho, if the canada is subsidizing their medical education, then they should be REQUIRED to either pay back the subsidy when they leave, or work here long enough to pay us back!

McGill charges in-province students the least. OOP students get charged a little higher (they adjust the tuition to be equal to the canadian average I was told). International applicants get charged the international rate, just like at any Canandian school, which may still be cheaper that some US schools, I haven't looked into it. They are limited in the number of OOP students they can accept by the Quebec government which dictates the number of OOP students that can study medicine in Quebec. This year, there were apparently ~400 OOP applicants for the 5-7 spots at McGill (depends if the other medical schools use theirs), of which they interviewed 46.

Hi AniyaSG, how did you find out that "there were ~400 OOP applicants for the 5-7 spots at McGill (depends if the other medical schools use theirs), of which they interviewed 46"? What do you mean by it "depends if the other medical schools use theirs"?

Thanks!