PT GPA cutoffs

[ilovesummer]

Anyone hear anything regarding this year's gpa cutoffs for PT in Ontario? I'm not sure if my 3.74 gpa is enough, especially for UWO. The suspense is tough!

[Dr. Jan Intor]

Well I think Western uses average instead of GPA and Ive heard its in the region of 83-84% for your last 20 credits. But i think UofT had a cut-off of 3.61 or something posted, not sure about that one tho

[ilovesummer]

Oh, I meant my last 20 credits came out to 3.74... looks like I may be out of the running for western then.

[rockstar_ankur]

I think all PT schools in Ontario calculate your GPA for last 10 full course, including fall session marks. I believe UWO don't use average, they use GPA for last 10 courses. It is for dentistry they use averages. Am I wrong?

[ilovesummer]

I think we all mean the same thing, so 20 half credits or 10 full credits counting backwards from January if you apply in 4th year.

[SheepE]

I am interested in knowing what the PT cutoff was this year too. According to UofT, it was 3.59 for 2009, 3.63 for 2010. For McMaster, it was 3.7 for 2010. I'm hoping the GPA will actually be lower this year because of the huge physio/chiropractor benefit cut.

Please update this thread!

[aug89]

UWO:
2009-first round cutoff 3.72 final student 3.61

2010-first round cutoff 3.71 final student 3.68

Queen's I'm pretty sure was 3.4 but they also consider cGPA and personal information score.

[Admi]

UWO:
2009-first round cutoff 3.72 final student 3.61

2010-first round cutoff 3.71 final student 3.68

Queen's I'm pretty sure was 3.4 but they also consider cGPA and personal information score.

Thanks for the info!!!

If you don't mind me asking, where did you find those numbers?? Did you make a call to UWO??

Thanks again!

[harryfeng]

Thanks for the info!!!

If you don't mind me asking, where did you find those numbers?? Did you make a call to UWO??

Thanks again!


Same questions.

[aug89]

Ya I emailed them. I couldn't find anything on their website.

[Admi]

Ya I emailed them. I couldn't find anything on their website.

Awesome! Thanks for posting the info.

I expect that the numbers will go up since they eliminated the 50 hours of experience that was required in the past.

Hopefully not too much as my GPA is 3.73. May 20th can't come soon enough.

[aug89]

I forgot to mention that I got the info for Queen's off their website.

And I understand what you mean about the GPA, Admi...I'm worried mine won't be high enough or that I'll be wayyy down the waiting list. But you just never know! Waiting is so hard!

[ilovesummer]

I'm worried too... but I'm hoping there is a lot of overlap between ppl accepted at all the schools

[medtech]

Awesome! Thanks for posting the info.

I expect that the numbers will go up since they eliminated the 50 hours of experience that was required in the past.

Hopefully not too much as my GPA is 3.73. May 20th can't come soon enough.

That 50 hours might have been the only thing stopping pre-med people from using UWO PT as a backup..... especially since there's no interview or essay, essentially every pre-med with a high GPA can just pay the fee and find out in May.... at least western OT makes you write an essay...

[BRNash86]

Thanks for the info as well. What is meant by "...final student 3.61"? And since UWO has no interview, does anyone know how many "rounds" they go through to select applicants? Thanks!

[BRNash86]

Sorry....the above msg was a reply to Aug89

[BRNash86]

Sorry....the above msg was a reply to Aug89

UWO:
2009-first round cutoff 3.72 final student 3.61

2010-first round cutoff 3.71 final student 3.68

[aug89]

I think it means that students were wait-listed and the final student from the wait-list to be accepted into the program had a GPA of 3.61 (or 3.68 in 2010). Everyone who got first round acceptance would have been above 3.72. That's my understanding of it.

And ya, I don't know why Western dropped the volunteer hours. In these professions, people need to understand what they're getting into before they start the program, but that's just my opinion.

[rasta]

I think it means that students were wait-listed and the final student from the wait-list to be accepted into the program had a GPA of 3.61 (or 3.68 in 2010). Everyone who got first round acceptance would have been above 3.72. That's my understanding of it.

And ya, I don't know why Western dropped the volunteer hours. In these professions, people need to understand what they're getting into before they start the program, but that's just my opinion.
+1

IMO This is going to lead to more students who don't know about the profession, which will lead to poorer PTs. Every other Ontario school has measures in place to assure that students have a good understanding of the profession.

My experience volunteering with a PT has been invaluable, and it's really showed me that PT is the career for me.

[medtech]

+1

IMO This is going to lead to more students who don't know about the profession, which will lead to poorer PTs. Every other Ontario school has measures in place to assure that students have a good understanding of the profession.

My experience volunteering with a PT has been invaluable, and it's really showed me that PT is the career for me.

I disagree with your statement there, I don't think students who don't know a lot about PT when applying will lead to worse PTs. That's like saying you can't train good doctors because most med applicants have no idea what a doctor actually does.

I think dropping the volunteer requirements will allow the PT program to get some very bright people who will make exceptional PTs, at the same time like I've said before, it's going to make the first round cut off really high and then everyone who used it as a back up but got into their first choice will just decline the offer (ie. more people suffer the anxiety of being on the waiting list even though they really have a passion for PT)

What will lead to worse PTs is the fact that UWO has no interviews... PTs must interact with patients everyday, so people that lack communication skills but have really high GPAs will lead to worse PTs. Personally I think acquiring communication skills and learning not being introverted is A LOT harder than learning about the profession

[rasta]

I disagree with your statement there, I don't think students who don't know a lot about PT when applying will lead to worse PTs. That's like saying you can't train good doctors because most med applicants have no idea what a doctor actually does.

I think dropping the volunteer requirements will allow the PT program to get some very bright people who will make exceptional PTs, at the same time like I've said before, it's going to make the first round cut off really high and then everyone who used it as a back up but got into their first choice will just decline the offer (ie. more people suffer the anxiety of being on the waiting list even though they really have a passion for PT)

What will lead to worse PTs is the fact that UWO has no interviews... PTs must interact with patients everyday, so people that lack communication skills but have really high GPAs will lead to worse PTs. Personally I think acquiring communication skills and learning not being introverted is A LOT harder than learning about the profession

What I meant in my previous post is that when there's an experience requirement, you're only going to have applicants who know that they want to become PTs. Those who get experience in the PT field and don't like it won't end up applying. So in the end you're going to have applicants who really want to be PTs.

Eliminating the need for that experience is going to bring in some applicants who don't really know what PT is all about. Some of these people who get in might not realize until they're almost done PT school that it isn't for them, which I think will lead to poorer PTs.

[bcmountainlove]

I think it is interesting that for the most part mainly OT programs (e.g, U of A, Queens, U of T) want to see resumes and personal statements. PT doesn't emphasize EC activities as much.

It just seems odd that UWO PT would only base entry on GPA (and references? I can't remember if they needed those or not). You would think that some EC experience should be considered. For instance, people who worked on their bachelor's degree part time and worked in health care or social services (e.g., rehab assistant or a life skills worker with people with developmental disabilities) may be better candidates for such a people oriented field.

[whatittakes]

I think it is interesting that for the most part mainly OT programs (e.g, U of A, Queens, U of T) want to see resumes and personal statements. PT doesn't emphasize EC activities as much.

It just seems odd that UWO PT would only base entry on GPA (and references? I can't remember if they needed those or not). You would think that some EC experience should be considered. For instance, people who worked on their bachelor's degree part time and worked in health care or social services (e.g., rehab assistant or a life skills worker with people with developmental disabilities) may be better candidates for such a people oriented field.

Good point, I am really curious as to how they will be selecting applicants?..

[aiz_324]

I think it is interesting that for the most part mainly OT programs (e.g, U of A, Queens, U of T) want to see resumes and personal statements. PT doesn't emphasize EC activities as much.

It just seems odd that UWO PT would only base entry on GPA (and references? I can't remember if they needed those or not). You would think that some EC experience should be considered. For instance, people who worked on their bachelor's degree part time and worked in health care or social services (e.g., rehab assistant or a life skills worker with people with developmental disabilities) may be better candidates for such a people oriented field.

I believe that UWO PT and UWO OT selection criteria is based purely on GPA...I was accepted last year for OT at UWO and they told us that everyone in our class was selected based on our GPA (50ish spots out of 600+ applicants). So, for those hoping to get into either program at UWO, hopefully you guys have a higher GPA than 550+ applicants!

[jalla]

May I ask what was your GPA for OT and what GPA do we actually need to get into UWO OT?

[surrah1]

Does anyone know how many applicants are wait-listed for UWO, Mac or Queens PT? I'm also wondering if wait-listed people are told their position on the list.. Can't wait for Friday (eek)!

[rasta]

Does anyone know how many applicants are wait-listed for UWO, Mac or Queens PT? I'm also wondering if wait-listed people are told their position on the list.. Can't wait for Friday (eek)!
I'm guessing that they'll waitlist at least the same number of spots they have (ie. accept 65 and waitlist 65) because people will get accepted to multiple schools (as well as other programs). That's just my guess though..

What was your GPA?

[surrah1]

I'm guessing that they'll waitlist at least the same number of spots they have (ie. accept 65 and waitlist 65) because people will get accepted to multiple schools (as well as other programs). That's just my guess though..

What was your GPA?

Yeah that was my guess as well. My 10 Credit GPA is 3.88, cumulative is 3.80. Where did you apply? It's been such a long wait and Friday can't come soon enough!

[rasta]

Yeah that was my guess as well. My 10 Credit GPA is 3.88, cumulative is 3.80. Where did you apply? It's been such a long wait and Friday can't come soon enough!
You don't have to worry about the waitlist with a 3.88, especially for UWO because they only look at marks. How did the CAP and MMI go? If those went well then you're pretty much a shoe-in for those schools too.

I applied to all 4 schools. And I agree, Friday can't come soon enough. Once I know what's going on I can finally enjoy my summer.

[surrah1]

You don't have to worry about the waitlist with a 3.88, especially for UWO because they only look at marks. How did the CAP and MMI go? If those went well then you're pretty much a shoe-in for those schools too.

I applied to all 4 schools. And I agree, Friday can't come soon enough. Once I know what's going on I can finally enjoy my summer.

Thanks, hopefully not. I'm worried about Queens and Mac though. The MMI was okay, but not super.. My nerves ruined the first station for me for sure lol. I didn't apply to U of T so didn't do the CAP, but I heard it was pretty brutal. How was everything for you? What's your first choice if you have one?

[rasta]

Thanks, hopefully not. I'm worried about Queens and Mac though. The MMI was okay, but not super.. My nerves ruined the first station for me for sure lol. I didn't apply to U of T so didn't do the CAP, but I heard it was pretty brutal. How was everything for you? What's your first choice if you have one?

Don't worry, with your GPA you'll get into Western for sure. These are the stats provided by aug89 earlier in the thread for the past 2 years at UWO:

2009-first round cutoff 3.72 final student 3.61
2010-first round cutoff 3.71 final student 3.68

I totally agree about the CAP being brutal, although I think the MMI was alright (especially after the first station when my nerves calmed down a bit).

I'm not too sure what my first choice is. It's varied over time. At first it was Western, but after the CAP I was hoping for UofT. They have great clinical placements and it's in Toronto (born and raised here :D ). However I'm a bit worried about having 40 hours of lectures, labs, and tutorials (that's if I even get in after my crappy CAP).

I wouldn't mind McMaster either. It's a good school and I feel like there will be more free time compared to other schools because of PBL and independent learning, but I'd rather learn in a classroom as opposed to learning on my own. And I also have some friends who go to Mac so I'd probably adjust faster to a new city.

Queens is the wild-card for me. It seems like people with good ECs and high GPAs get rejected. I don't really think I stand a chance, and so I never thought about going to Queens (although it's a great schools too).

[Ultimate_d]

I really do hope the UWO trends continue to follow the same GPA, but I believe the fact that they no longer require 50 volunteer hours, will drastically impact this:mad:

[Admi]

I really do hope the UWO trends continue to follow the same GPA, but I believe the fact that they no longer require 50 volunteer hours, will drastically impact this:mad:

Ya it will be interesting to see what happens on Friday. In a blog by the Dean of Health Sciences @ UWO, he mentions that applications jumped 29.8% from 2010 (823 applications for 50 spots), eesh...


Source: http://atwestern.typepad.com/dialogue_with_the_dean/

[ilovesummer]

Anybody know where we go to check our application status tomorrow? ORPAS? Or do they mail it?

[Ultimate_d]

I am pretty sure you will get confirmation whether or not you are accepted via email, and then based on this you accept using the SAM tool in ORPAS.

Best of luck tommorow

[sarahjanewatson]

When do you think they'll tell us our status? Could we even expect emails throughout the night or will they deliver the results sometime during the day tomorrow? Anyone have any experience with this?

[Whiskey]

Geez it seems like PT is way more competitive in ontario than alberta. I'm considering PT and U of A site says average GPA of people admitted is 3.5. So cut offs would be lower. Anyone know why it's so different? larger class size maybe?

[rasta]

Geez it seems like PT is way more competitive in ontario than alberta. I'm considering PT and U of A site says average GPA of people admitted is 3.5. So cut offs would be lower. Anyone know why it's so different? larger class size maybe?I think the GPA is higher in Ontario because there's a lot more applicants, which causes the GPA requirements to rise.

IIRC, The GPA requirements for UofA for OOP students are just as high as the requirements for Ontario schools.