1 year of english

[VTeight7]

Seems like an obsession of US schools to have "1 year of english" as a requirement. But say I took a 0.5credit ENG course fall 2007, and another 0.5credit ENG course sometime between summer 2008 - spring 2009, do you think it would count as 1 year? I wanted to ask here first before wasting my time emailing 20 US schools. Plus the standard full 1-year ENG courses at UTM look very intimidating to me (though if anyone has suggestions I'd greatly appreciate). Thanks

[Madz25]

Seems like an obsession of US schools to have "1 year of english" as a requirement. But say I took a 0.5credit ENG course fall 2007, and another 0.5credit ENG course sometime between summer 2008 - spring 2009, do you think it would count as 1 year? I wanted to ask here first before wasting my time emailing 20 US schools. Plus the standard full 1-year ENG courses at UTM look very intimidating to me (though if anyone has suggestions I'd greatly appreciate). Thanks

I think two half courses would fulfill the requirement. Although I'd call at least one or two of the schools to make sure.

[Alastriss]

I'm very interested in knowing as well! post what you end up finding out V!

[mikkey]

what a year of English means is that you must have 6 credits of English, or 2 courses of 3 credits. These credits are calculated by the # of class hours in a week of a given semester. 3 credits means 3 hours a week.
I hope that your 0.5 credits equals 3, and you are fine. You can take the prerequisites until you matriculate, so you have to have them complete by the time you start medical school. Be sure to indicate on AMCAS that you will be taking this course in the future.

[VTeight7]

Thanks for the help guys :D Yes mikkey, my half courses consist of 3 lecture hours each week.


Alastriss here's what Ive found out in terms of english
NYU requires "6 semester hours" (which definitely means 2 half courses are acceptable)
new york medical college requires "2 semesters" (once again all good)

To start I emailed Boston U, Northwestern U, Columbia U, waiting for replies

Schools that accept Canadians & don't require English (last time I checked in May, anyway, don't get mad if it's changed):
Indiana U, U of Chicago, U of Vermont, Dartmouth Medical School, Rosalind Franklin U, Albany Medical College (but that one "prefers" US citizens)





not accepting Canadians UNLESS maybe the Canadian has had at least 1y of undergrad in a US school (incomplete list):
University of Buffalo
University of Rochester

University of Michigan

Albert Einstein College of Medicine of Yeshiva (Bronx)
Stony Brook (Long Island)
ALL OHIO SCHOOLS

University of Pennsylvania
Temple University (Philadelphia)
Drexel University (Philadelphia)
Loyola University Chicago
Rush University (Chicago)
Southern Illinois University (Springfield)
University of Illinois
UMDNJ (Newark)
Tufts University (Boston)
University of Massachusetts

[Madz25]

Thanks for the help guys :D Yes mikkey, my half courses consist of 3 lecture hours each week.


Alastriss here's what Ive found out in terms of english
NYU requires "6 semester hours" (which definitely means 2 half courses are acceptable)
new york medical college requires "2 semesters" (once again all good)

To start I emailed Boston U, Northwestern U, Columbia U, waiting for replies

Schools that accept Canadians & don't require English (last time I checked in May, anyway, don't get mad if it's changed):
Indiana U, U of Chicago, U of Vermont, Dartmouth Medical School, Rosalind Franklin U, Albany Medical College (but that one "prefers" US citizens)





not accepting Canadians (incomplete list):
University of Buffalo
University of Rochester
Wayne State (Detroit)
University of Michigan
SUNY
Albert Einstein College of Medicine of Yeshiva (Bronx)
Stony Brook (Long Island)
ALL OHIO SCHOOLS
University of Pittsburgh
University of Pennsylvania
Temple University (Philadelphia)
Drexel University (Philadelphia)
Loyola University Chicago
Rush University (Chicago)
Southern Illinois University (Springfield)
University of Illinois
UMDNJ (Newark)
Tufts University (Boston)
University of Massachusetts


*** HOLD ON***

uhhhhh i think you need to fix your "not accepting canadians" list ...because i am a canadian citizen and i was accepted at SUNY. im doubtful that university of pennsylvania doesn't accept canadians ...and i know a canadian citizen that was accepted at wayne state

where are you getting your info from?

[rogerroger]

Yeah that english requirment is a pain in the butt... If this ap round doesn't count work out I might consider doing the 0.5 x 2 deal...

[worriedandwaiting]

*** HOLD ON***

uhhhhh i think you need to fix your "not accepting canadians" list ...because i am a canadian citizen and i was accepted at SUNY. im doubtful that university of pennsylvania doesn't accept canadians ...and i know a canadian citizen that was accepted at wayne state

where are you getting your info from?


Exactly what I was thinking. Especially since i just submitted my AMCAS application and included wayne, michigan, and pennsylvania. EEP! :eek: Some one please confirm!

[DeeDoc]

Im pretty sure that Wayne accepts Canadians and so does Pittsburgh. I think the OP meant that these schools don't accept you unless you have a year of english.

[VTeight7]

OK boston U emailed me back, 2 separate semesters of english are fine

As for the Canadian acceptance fiasco .. OK I checked the websites individually in May but I'm likely wrong. I guess SUNY, Wayne State, & Pittsburgh do accept Canadians.

DeeDoc I meant English or no English, those schools won't accept Canadians unless MAYBE they've had a year of undergrad in the US. But I know most of us here have not had that. Sorry nevertheless I should have specified.


As for U of Pennsylvania Madz25, those who receive degrees from foreign institutions are required to have completed one year of course work in the sciences at a college or university in the United States before an application for admission to the first year of medical school will be considered. so technically yes they will accept Canadians, but I meant they won't accept pure 100% Canadian students.


If anyone can add or remove from my list, please feel free to continue posting!

[Madz25]

OK boston U emailed me back, 2 separate semesters of english are fine

As for the Canadian acceptance fiasco .. OK I checked the websites individually in May but I'm likely wrong. I guess SUNY, Wayne State, & Pittsburgh do accept Canadians.

DeeDoc I meant English or no English, those schools won't accept Canadians unless MAYBE they've had a year of undergrad in the US. But I know most of us here have not had that. Sorry nevertheless I should have specified.


As for U of Pennsylvania Madz25, so technically yes they will accept Canadians, but I meant they won't accept pure 100% Canadian students.


If anyone can add or remove from my list, please feel free to continue posting!

For the majority of schools, "foreign institution" does not include Canadian universities. I read that many times for a lot of schools in the "MSAR" when I was applying but it did not apply to Canadians. The only schools I found that did not take Canadians explicitly stated that they only accept US citizens and US permanent residents.

For UPenn, I know someone who did undergrad with me and was invited for an interview at UPenn for the dentistry program. It could be that UPenn allows Canadians to apply for dentistry and not medicine, but I highly doubt it.

[Alastriss]

Guys, Checking teh AMCAS web page and the application guide, I saw that creative writing (english creative writing) can be considered as english, in a similar manner as how biology includes anatomy, physiology, microbiology, etc.

[Madz25]

not accepting Canadians UNLESS maybe the Canadian has had at least 1y of undergrad in a US school (incomplete list):
University of Buffalo
University of Rochester

University of Michigan

Albert Einstein College of Medicine of Yeshiva (Bronx)
Stony Brook (Long Island)
ALL OHIO SCHOOLS

University of Pennsylvania
Temple University (Philadelphia)
Drexel University (Philadelphia)
Loyola University Chicago
Rush University (Chicago)
Southern Illinois University (Springfield)
University of Illinois
UMDNJ (Newark)
Tufts University (Boston)
University of Massachusetts

Canadians DO NOT have to complete 1 year in a US institution. I, repeat, CANADIANS DO NOT have to complete 1 year in a US institition.

Schools like Drexel, explicitly state that they only accept US citizens/permanent residents. Those schools, obviously, don't accept Canadians.

Schools asking for 1 year of schooling in a US university for "foreign" university students are NOT referring to Canadians.

[rogerroger]

A lot of you Polly know this but I thought I would mention it anyways just incase.

There is a GPA "loophole" at many schools. If you take a course in the summer it counts as a credit but is not factored into your GPA. So if you are like most premeds and are scared ****less of English courses messing up a beautiful GPA I say go for the summer and take some general English course. You might even enjoy it because you will have time to do all that reading and writing without juggling hardcore science courses.

Just my two cents...

[Alastriss]

A lot of you Polly know this but I thought I would mention it anyways just incase.

There is a GPA "loophole" at many schools. If you take a course in the summer it counts as a credit but is not factored into your GPA. So if you are like most premeds and are scared ****less of English courses messing up a beautiful GPA I say go for the summer and take some general English course. You might even enjoy it because you will have time to do all that reading and writing without juggling hardcore science courses.

Just my two cents...


Yes that is true, but also keep in mind that schools like Mac and I think Queen's, as well as AMCAS do take all the courses you have done into the gpa calc.

As rogerroger has stated, this loophole can be exploited for schools like UT, UWO, etc. and is not only popular with english courses but with orgo!

[VTeight7]

Canadians DO NOT have to complete 1 year in a US institution. I, repeat, CANADIANS DO NOT have to complete 1 year in a US institition.

Schools like Drexel, explicitly state that they only accept US citizens/permanent residents. Those schools, obviously, don't accept Canadians.

Schools asking for 1 year of schooling in a US university for "foreign" university students are NOT referring to Canadians.

Good to hear :D So I was wrong then, sorry for any confusion people - I could have sworn they said no Canadians

The summer thing rogerroger - works for some schools, not all.

[rogerroger]

The summer thing rogerroger - works for some schools, not all.

Yup, that’s why I said "many". I am sorry I am just giving you a hard time. Now if life was a gaint VR test... ;)

It is good you pointed that out clearly incase ppl made the assumption.

[Madz25]

A lot of you Polly know this but I thought I would mention it anyways just incase.

There is a GPA "loophole" at many schools. If you take a course in the summer it counts as a credit but is not factored into your GPA. So if you are like most premeds and are scared ****less of English courses messing up a beautiful GPA I say go for the summer and take some general English course. You might even enjoy it because you will have time to do all that reading and writing without juggling hardcore science courses.

Just my two cents...

I don't know how true that is. US schools look at AMCAS GPA (and science GPA), which includes all post-secondary courses you've taken. I don't know whether or not medical schools in the US go to the trouble of calculating their own GPA the way Canadian schools do.

[rogerroger]

It would hinge on if the school requires full time course load in order to apply. If a school does they might depending on the school only use courses taken during a full course load into account when calculating your GPA. According to the word around campus some schools in the states apparently do play with the AMCAS GPA numbers. I personaly don't know the particular schools that do this. I hope that one of my peers whom I discussed this with at Western will expand upon this on the board.

This loop hole as I am sure lots of you know is very applicable to the Canadian schools. Again not all, but a fair number. This is why there are 200 something ppl at Western taking orgo every year in the summer after first year.

The loop hole won't work all over, but taking English alone in the summer would help one maximize their grade either way. I know it did when I took orgo. Everything is easier when you only have one subject to worry about. So in the end even if the loop hole doesn’t apply to the school one is looking at they still come out ahead grade wise.