What to do in summer vacation

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<pagetext>I have done a lot of research on medical education and post grad training in the US. I'm dual citizen and will more than likely be attending med school down there. (I doubt I'll make it into UBC.) Can someone tell me how much interns/residents make in Canada. In the US they make about 35k US per year. Thanks,

Jim, Bob.

[Ian Wong]

Depends on which province. A PGY-1 (first year resident), will likely make about $35,000 Cdn, and this number inches up each year of your residency. In most places, I suspect that living expenses would be less in Canada versus the US, and as a Canadian, you'd pay less tuition attending a Canadian med student than if you went to the US without American citizenship.

Check this site for more information:

www.carms.ca/procedure/salaries.htm (http://www.carms.ca/procedure/salaries.htm)

Ian
UBC, Med 3

[Jim the Bob]

Thanks Ian.

By the way... have you heard through the grape vine how many people UBC will be taking in for 2002? I assume, hope, pray, and expect that it will be more than this year.

[Ian Wong]

I don't think this information is confidential. My previous comments appear to be wrong. At the present time, it looks like those 8 additional seats from last year will be all that is added to UBC for the next four years. In other words, the number of available seats for Fall 2002 is 128 students again, just as it was for Fall 2001.

Ian
UBC, Med 3

[Jim the Bob]

In my humble opinion, I think that the current health care crisis warrants at least an extra 20 or 30 spots.

[Kirsteen]

Hey there,

FYI, in many folks' opinion, the Canadian health care system has been in a perpetual state of crisis for the last 40-odd years (since the conception of the Canada Health Act). It's a matter of perspective--and there are many to consider.

I'm sure the government would be pleased to belly up to the bar and shell out the additional funds to fuel the education of many more new medical students, however, fund pools are finite and in order to devote funds to this cause, they must take funds from another.

Cheers,
Kirsteen

[Ian Wong]

In reality, the health care shortage probably warrants a whole lot more than 20-30 seats, especially considering that it takes *6* years from enrollment in medical school to actually licensing a family doctor to practise medicine. Make that at *least* 9 years to train and license a surgeon...

Unfortunately, it's not as simple as just throwing money into the medical school. At present, the Anatomy and Histology Labs are nearly full to capacity. Clinical Skills groups are at the outer margin of being too crowded to have good teaching. Worse yet, at present, there has been no increase in post-graduate residency spots (although this will hopefully be changing soon). It makes no sense to add more medical students if once they graduate they need to move elsewhere in Canada to do their residency.

Ian
UBC, Med 3

[Jim]

I found this article posted on another forum. It goes to show that we may really have a physicain shortage on our hands in the future.
August 28, 2001


U.K. hunts for Canadian physicians


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National Post, with files from The Associated Press
The British government is targeting Canadian family doctors and specialists in a recruitment drive to combat the United Kingdom's shortage of physicians.

Tony Blair's Labour government promised to hire 7,500 specialists and 2,000 more family doctors by 2004 during this year's U.K. general election.

"We are recruiting in Canada because we know physicians there have been trained to a high standard and have good communication skills," said Richard Forshaw, a government spokesman. "This is the first time we are doing this, so we are not sure what kind of a response we will be getting."

The recruitment drive is also targeting 12 other countries including the United States, Israel, Australia and industrialized countries in Western Europe.

Canadian medical officials say they are too worried about losing doctors to the United States to give much thought to losing more to Britain, where physicians will find similar long delays for surgery, shortages of hospital beds and heavy workloads.

Last year, 420 physicians left Canada, 75% of them for the United States. In 1996, the number of doctors leaving Canada was 700.

About 1,700 Canadians graduate from medical school a year.

"It's a global marketplace now," said Henry Haddad, president of the Canadian Medical Association.

Dr. Haddad said it is the first time he has heard of a federal government becoming involved in physician recruiting.

However, Britain's National Health Service campaign will have to compete with pages of job vacancies already advertised in Canadian medical journals from individual hospitals and health districts around the world.

In turn, Canadian hospitals have been advertising and recruiting in other countries for years, especially Britain and South Africa.

"Certainly in Saskatchewan we've been a net importer from the United Kingdom," said Dennis Kendal, registrar of the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Saskatchewan. "I guess the concept of nations trying to recruit physicians from other nations is hardly a new phenomenon. This advertising campaign might create something of an equilibrium."

[YongQ]

Hi guys,
I just wanted to ask any advanced med students out there what they did (or what they heard others do) the summers after 1st and/or 2nd year. 3 full months seems like an awful long time to have off after all..

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<pagetext>Hi all,

Just wanted to see how all of you guys and gals are doing. Has med school been what you've expected so far? How have your first experiences gone with real live patients, :eek and real not-at-all live cadavers? :b

Ian
UBC, Med 3

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