*** The Saskatchewan Forum Quiz ***

[saskmedman]

Allright,

In order to increase our declining post rate, I would like to introduce to everyone the Amazing Saskatchewan Forum Quiz! Ok, I know that's corny but hey, it's the best I can do. So how I propose this thing works is I will ask the first question, then everyone, including moderators, may post an answer. Whoever posts the right answer first will become the new quiz master and will then have the responsibility of posting the next zany question and letting us know when someone has gotten the right answer and so on... You regular listeners of John Gormley will know where I got this idea. Ok, so let's get down to it. Here is the first question. I tried to find something that isn't easily found in a google search, but I think someone will probably be able to find it. Oh, one more rule. No posting 100 guesses to cover all the possibilities. I think one guess at a time should be good. Then as soon as the quiz master posts a message saying you were wrong you may guess again. If more than one person get it right, the person who posted first will win. Ok, enough rambling, here's the first question:

Which country spends the most money on ketchup (tomato sauce) each year per capita?

Good luck everyone. Tell your friends!

[PARTY cal]

Do you have to be a SASK-med incoming/waitlister/hopeful or moderator to play???

Now I have something to do at work.

[peachy]

Same Q as Party Cal ... plus, aren't tomato sauce and ketchup different things? :p

[PARTY cal]

hmmm, I think I have an answer, if Ketchup and TS are the same

[Lactic Folly]

Good idea.. Is googling allowed?

[kosmo14]

I go with Spain, for no particular reason.

[PARTY cal]

I say Sweden buys the most Ketchup on a per capita basis

[Lactic Folly]

Hrmm.. I'll go with the United States.

[bearman14]

I'm going with France...

[saskmedman]

Way to go Party Cal! The correct answer was Sweden. This means that Party Cal is our new QUIZ MASTER and must post the next question, and the race will be on to be the first one with the right answer. Thank you to everyone else who guessed at my question. I think this quiz thing just might take off. In response to an earlier question, ANYONE can play this quiz. Tell your friends! Whatever it takes to get more posts!:p Ok, Party Cal, post your question as soon as you can. We're all looking forward to it!

Rod

[PARTY cal]

Thanks saskmedman.
I thought I would try a riddle on you folks, hopefully not too many of you know this one.

What is greater than God? Worse than the devil? The rich want it, the poor have it, and if you eat it you will die....

Good luck.

[peachy]

It would be cool if people would post the source for questions like the ketchup one ... just curious :)

[PARTY cal]

Hey Peachy,
I found the answer to the Ketchup question HERE (http://web.ask.com/redir?bpg=http%3a%2f%2fweb.ask.com%2fweb%3fq%3dKet chup%2buse%2bper%2bcapita%26o%3d0%26page%3d1&q=Ketchup+use+per+capita&u=http%3a%2f%2ftm.wc.ask.com%2fr%3ft%3dan%26s%3da% 26uid%3d083B730A284DFA0F3%26sid%3d1627E30A284DFA0F 3%26qid%3dDD21D3C0DE33614480FB32B63FBEA143%26io%3d 6%26sv%3dza5cb0db4%26ask%3dKetchup%2buse%2bper%2bc apita%26uip%3d8eb3b54b%26en%3dte%26eo%3d-100%26pt%3dKetchup%253a%2bThe%2bBig%2bRed%26ac%3d9 %26qs%3d2%26pg%3d1%26u%3dhttp%3a%2f%2fwww.post-gazette.com%2ffood%2f20000629ketchup2.asp&s=a&bu=http%3a%2f%2fwww.post-gazette.com%2ffood%2f20000629ketchup2.asp)

[summervirus]

Answer: nothing! :D

[17]

Hmm--kind of a non-sequitor but while you're waiting for summervirus to post the latest quiz question, go to google, type in "weapons of mass destruction" and press the "I'm feeling lucky" button...hilarious.
17

[PARTY cal]

NICE WORK SUMMERVIRUS:D . You are the quiz master now.

[summervirus]

I heard PARTY cal's riddle before... so no website link.

Anyway, here's the new question. Hong Kong was given back to China in 1997. Who or what has replaced Queen Elizabeth II on the 'head' side of the coins in Hong Kong? :)

Good luck!

[Lactic Folly]

Hmm.. the bauhinia flower?

[summervirus]

Yup, you're right! Wow, that was fast! Your turn.

The bauhinia flower is the symbol of Hong Kong for those of you that didn't know. :)

[saskmedman]

I just want to say how excited I am at the popularity of this thread. Thanks a lot guys and lets keep those questions rolling. Keep track of how many times you've been quizmaster and later on we'll see who is the true trivia master!

[Lactic Folly]

Yep, I learned something new :)
www.info.gov.hk/hkma/eng/.../index.htm (http://www.info.gov.hk/hkma/eng/currency/notes_co/index.htm)

Here's a puzzle.. not a quiz question per se, but I like this one.

You and some other people are stuck in a room for several hours. A metal pipe is firmly encased in the concrete floor vertically. It is about one inch in diameter, six inches high. At the bottom of the pipe is a ping-pong ball - it's not stuck in the pipe but it is a pretty close fit. How can you remove the ping-pong ball without damaging the pipe, the concrete, or the ball? In the room you have some string, plastic wrap, matches, a pen, a watch, marbles, a screwdriver, and a tin can.

[PARTY cal]

Very interesting...I will take a stab at it

Tie a slip knot on the end of the string, pass it down the pipe, once it is wrapped around the ping-pong ball, pull it out.

[Lactic Folly]

Good idea.. however it would be very difficult to get the loop around the ball as it fits just within the pipe.
Hint: the materials I mentioned could have just as easily been any other tools/supplies - they're not essential to the solution :)

[bearman14]

I'm going to guess that it has something to do with the volume of air above the ball. Unfortunately, i do not know what volume of air the burning match would consume, but I will guess that you use the plastic wrap to seal the pipe. Use the screwdriver to puncture a hole in the tin can the size of the pen. Then take the ink out of the pen and insert one end of the now-empty pen shell into the hole in the can, and one end through the plastic wrap that is covering the pipe. Then light the match, put it in the tin can, and the buring will create a vacuum in the can, thereby drawing air from the pipe into the can via the pen. Since the ball is pretty much right against the sides of the pipe, the drawing of air up from the pipe will pull the ball up with it (I guess in saying that, I'm assuming that there is some form of bleed into the pipe from the bottom -- we'll say that concrete is porous). Once the ball reaches the bottom of the pen, the vacuum will keep it attached -- then remove the pen/can/ball assembly, and voila -- free ping pong ball.

Just a guess -- probably too many assumptions, but it could work...

[PARTY cal]

Nice one Bearman.

I have another idea, but it is sort of gross...

Since you are in the room with a group of people...everyone should urinate into the pipe, which will cause the ball to float to the top:rollin .

[saskmedman]

Nice answer Bearman! How do you say genius? Anyway, I would think that you could just suck the darn thing out of the tube, seeing as the tube is only 1" in diameter and the ball isn't stuck. But that wuold be too easy I guess. Once again, thank you all for making this thread such a success thus far. I think the questions have been really cool and it should keep going for quite some time. If any of you post in some of the other premed101 forums tell your friends to come join in. This rocks!

Rod

[Lactic Folly]

Wow bearman.. that would be a neat thing to try in a physics lab! I actually heard this puzzle when we were studying creativity in my psych class, but that too is very creative..

Congrats PARTY cal, you got the answer I had in mind :lol Over to you!

[Ian Wong]

Here's one that comes up occasionally:

You are inside a room, with the door closed. In the wall are three light switches, numbered #1, #2, and #3, all in the off position.

Down the hallway is another room, with its door closed, and in that wall, are three lightbulbs, lettered A, B, and C, all currently off. Each of the light switches above, when turned on, will turn on its corresponding light bulb.

Once you leave your current room, the door will lock shut, and you cannot re-enter it. So, you can flick the switches, but once you leave the first room, you cannot return to it, nor can you look inside to see which position the switches are in.

Your job is to figure out how to tell which light switch corresponds with each light bulb.

Ian

[Lactic Folly]

Turn one on, leave one off, and turn the remaining switch on then off again. When you enter the new room, one bulb will be on, one will be off, and the remaining one will be off but warm :)

[saskmedman]

Cool question Ian! Nice to see the boss getting in on the action as well. I believe the floor is still open to party cal though. And I'm a bit miffed about my sucking answer. Much cleaner than everyone urinating in the tube. And I'm not sure how skilled other people are at the art of urinating, but I don't think I could personally hit a target one inch wide. Maybe that's just me.;)

[Lactic Folly]

Well, I don't know about the strength of your embouchure, but certainly it could have been worth a try.. only it came after the pee answer and that wouldn't have been so good! :rollin
/note to self: next time I tell this riddle, include a funnel among the possibilities ;)

[Jerika81]

I know this is cheating since I haven't given an answer yet, but I can't help myself, and I don't know if I'm smart enough to get any of the answers, so I may never be able to post this otherwise.
Here is one of my favourite riddles:

A poor farmer owes money to an evil rich banker, but he can’t afford to pay his loan. However, the poor farmer has a very beautiful daughter, so the banker is willing to make a deal with him. He tells the farmer to meet him on Cobble Stone Alley with his daughter and some witnesses.
When the group meet the banker tells them that he will place a black pebble and a white pebble in to a bag. Then the farmer’s daughter must remove one of the pebbles from the bag. If she removes the black pebble then she must marry the evil banker, but if she removes the white pebble then she and her father are free to go and will no longer be in debt to the banker.
Unfortunately, the banker is not only evil but dishonest, and the daughter sees him place two black pebbles in the bag instead of one black and one white. No one else sees this. The daughter of course does not want to marry the banker, how can she ensure that she and her father are free to go?

Good Luck...

[kosmo14]

The daughter picks a pebble out of the bag but accidently drops it in amonst the other pebbles on the ground. She then tells everyone all is not lost because we can see what color pebble I picked out of the bag by seeing what is left in the bag. Needless to say the remaining pebble in the bag is black and by default she should have picked out the white pebble.

Can't post my question until next week because I am going away in about 8 hours for the weekend, and it will take me at least that long to come up with one hard enough to stump almost everyone (my brain is in slow motion for the summer). Besides I answered a riddle that technically wasn't in the rotation. Have a great weekend everyone.

[saskmedman]

Yeah Kosmo, don't worry about posting a question. PARTY Cal is our reigning 2 time quiz master. We're all waiting on him/her to keep us going! This rules!

Rod

[saskmedman]

This page sure has slowed down. I realize it's likely because of the weekend, but I think that if PARTY Cal doesn't post a question by 6:00 EST (that's 4:00 in sask, I think!) then we'll pass is over to Kosmo for answering Jerika's other question. I hate to sound like a bum, but I see a lot of people are hitting this forum and they're probably all waiting for the next quiz question. Come on PARTY Cal! Give us an impossible one!

Rod

[PARTY cal]

hey,
Sorry I have not posted my question yet. I think it would be a good idea to allow Kosmo to post the next question since I will be very busy the next few days and will therefore be unable to post a really difficult quesiton.

[saskmedman]

Thanks PARTY Cal. Kosmo, please post the next question. Also, in order to restore interest in this short-lived thread, I will begin keeping score and posting the number of times all participants have been the first correct responder. Just to have a little more prestige for the more involved posters.

Rod

[CaesarCornelius]

Hey... Can I play??...:)

You have 9 golf balls. 8 of which are equal in weight. The ninth is slightly heavier then the rest. You also have a balancing scale. Can you use this scale two times and only two times in order to tell which ball is heavier?


The answer is yes.. But how?


CC

[saskmedman]

Ok, let's go with caesar's question. Kosmo, in grand first year fashion, is no where to be found when everyone else is having a good time (sorry Kosmo, just jokes!) so CaesarCornelius is the new quizmaster in his place. Let's keep this going gang.

As for the golf ball question, I have no idea. Nice one Caesar, let's see if anyone can get it.

Rod

[Lactic Folly]

Weigh 3 vs 3 - say they are the same.
Then take one of the remaining 3 with one from the first 6, repeat to make another pair, and weigh the two sets against each other. If they balance out then the remaining unweighed ball is the heavy one. If they don't balance out, you know it's the ball on the heavy side that wasn't one of the original 6.

Weigh 3 vs 3 - say they are different. Then you know it's one of the 3 balls on the heavy side. Of these, weigh 1 vs 1 - if different, it's the heavy one - if same, it's the remaining ball.

[CaesarCornelius]

Yeah for lactic.

:)

I guess you're the so-called quiz master now.


CC

[Lactic Folly]

Yay.. For the next riddle, explain the following scenario:

A man lives on the fourteenth floor of an apartment building. Every morning he takes the elevator down to the lobby and leaves the building. In the evening, he gets into the elevator, and, if there is someone else in the elevator -- or if it was raining that day -- he goes back to his floor directly. Otherwise, he goes to the ninth floor and walks up five flights of stairs to his apartment.

[CaesarCornelius]

Ok. Assume the person is really short and can't reach the 14th floor button. If there was someone else in the elevator he could ask them, and if it was raining then he could use his umbrella to hit the button. If not, then he has to hit the highest button he can reach (floor 9) and then walk.

Comming down in the morning is no problem as he merely hits the Main floor button which is the lowest button.


CC

[Lactic Folly]

Yep, you got it CC :) Your turn..

[saskmedman]

Lactic and Caesar have taken over! You guys have to give the rest of us some time to keep up! Just kidding, keep up the good riddles, and don't forget: riddles are not the only option. I find useless trivia very fun as well! But whatever you all prefer, just keep it going.

Rod

[CaesarCornelius]

When and where was the first artificial heart surgery performed (ie. inserting an permanent artificial heart into a human)?


CC

[bearman14]

I'm going with:

Where: Jewish Hospital in Louisville, Kentucky.

By Whom: Surgeons from the University of Louisville

When: Monday, July 2nd, 2001.

(At least, that's what CNN tells me):

www.cnn.com/2001/HEALTH/c...ial.heart/ (http://www.cnn.com/2001/HEALTH/conditions/07/03/artificial.heart/)

Bearman

[CaesarCornelius]

Hey Bearman,

The surgery that I had found was from 1982, see below.

In 1982, in the first operation of its kind, doctors at the University of Utah Medical Center implanted a permanent artificial heart in the chest of retired dentist Dr. Barney Clark, who lived 112 days with the device.


HOWEVER, the CNN site does clearly say "first artificial heart implant" SO I don't know. Perhaps it is just a matter of semantics. I know I read somewhere about the one in 1982 not being fully electric (imagine seeing some at the gas station with the nossle in their chest, fueling their heart :rollin )


So I guess we all learned something and the quiz master hat is now being passed to Bearman. Give us something good!

inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blartificialheart.htm (http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blartificialheart.htm)

*I actually found the timeline... Perhaps the CNN wording is referring to the patient being the first person to receive that particular type of artificial heart. See timeline below, there actually was an artificial heart transplant in 1969!

Landmarks in the development of the artificial heart:

1953: A heart-lung machine designed by Dr. John Gibbon is used in a successful open-heart surgery, demonstrating that an artifical device can temporarily mimic the functions of the heart.

1964: The National Heart, Lung and Blood Institute sets a goal of designing a total artificial heart by 1970.

1966: Dr. Michael DeBakey of Houston successfully implants a partial artificial heart.

1967: Dr. Christiaan Barnard performs the first successful human heart transplant. The patient, 53-year-old dentist Louis Washkansky, dies 18 days after surgery in South Africa.

1969: A total artifical heart is implanted into a patient by Dr. Denton Cooley of the Texas Heart Institute. The patient gets a heart transplant three days later but then dies 11/2 days afterward.

1982-85: Dr. William DeVries carries out a series of five implants of the Jarvik total artificial heart. The first patient, Barney Clark, survives for 112 days. Only four others received the Jarvik as a permanent replacement heart; one, William Schroeder, lived 620 days, dying in August 1986 at age 54. Other patients received the Jarvik as a temporary device while awaiting heart transplants.

1994: The Food and Drug Administration approves the Left Ventricular Assist Device, which helps failing hearts continue to function.

2000: A man in Israel becomes the first recipient of the Jarvik 2000, the first total artificial heart that can maintain blood flow in addition to generating a pulse.

2001: Doctors at Jewish Hospital in Louisville, Ky., implant the first self-contained, mechanical heart replacement into a patient. The device, called the AbioCor, is battery powered and the size of a softball.


CC

[saskmedman]

Ok Bearman, it's all you.

[bearman14]

OK, here we go (I debated whether to ask a trivia question or riddle, but decided to go with the riddle for now -- hopefully no one has heard this one):

Saskmedman, doctorbones, Insomniac01, and kosmo14 (it is the Saskatchewan forum, of course) are captured by the Evil Ian Wong, who for some unknown nefarious purpose, has taken them to his secret island lair. Now Ian, being a sinister yet fair man, has decided that he would like to test the collective mind of the Saskatchewan moderators, and has therefore created a scenario in which they can obtain their freedom through clever reasoning.

First off, he places blindfolds on each of the Saskatchewan moderators. He then leads them down to the beach where he has four pits dug in a line in the sand. Each Sask Moderator gets buried in the sand up to his/her neck, in a particular order, and with each mod facing a particular direction. Saskmedman is at the western end of the line, and he is facing/looking east. Doctorbones is next to Saskmed man, and he is also looking east. Insomniac01 is next to Doctor bones, and also is looking east. Lastly, kosmo14 is at the eastern end of the line, and is looking west. To top it all off, Ian has placed a wall between Insomniac and kosmo14. Ian then places a coloured hat on each of the mods' heads, and the hats are either black or white. Unknown to the mods, he places the hats in alternating order, so that Saskmedman has a white hat on, doctorbones has a black hat on, Insomniac01 has a white hat on, and kosmo14 has a black hat on. He then removes the blindfolds, so that, once their eyes have adjusted to the blinding evil tropical island sun, Saskmedman can see doctorbones and Insomniac, doctorbones can see Insomniac, Insomniac can only see the wall, and kosmo14 can only see the wall. (See the schematic):

SMM -> DB -> IN -> || <- K14

Where:

SMM = Saskmedman
DB = doctorbones
IN = Insomniac
K14 = kosmo14
|| = wall
-> = direction person is looking



Ian then makes the following proclamation: No one can speak, except to say what colour of hat is on their own head. That means the only thing anyone can say is "The colour of hat on my head is ____" If that person guesses correctly, then all Sakatchewan moderators will be released to continue their studies, and more importantly, their fine work on this forum. If that person guesses incorrectly, well, let's just say Ian will need to recruit some more incoming Sask med students for the forum. Only one guess is allowed, and all four Saskatchewan moderators will face the consequence of that guess (they know that the colour is either black or white, and that there are only two black hats and two white hats). So the problem is:

Who makes the guess, and why?

[CaesarCornelius]

Im going to take a stab at this one.

( there are several assumptions, so please bear with me)

Lets assume that Ian did not place them in alternating order, say he placed the hats in the following order:

BWW/B

Who would call out the answer? well of course saskmedman would. Could clearly see that drbones and insomniac had the same colour hat and since there were only 2 of each type of hat, then saskmed man would (of course) deduce that he was wearing a black hat.


But Ian didn't spend hours digging those pits for a simple answer.

Arranging them WBW/B makes saskmedman unsure as to whether or not he is wearing a black or white hat since drbones and insomniac are wearing different colored hats.

So, DrBones (who is the only other possibility really) must be the one who says the color of his/her hat. She/He knows that they are wearing a black hat because since saskmedman hesistated he inferred that to mean his/her hat and insomniacs were of different colors. Since he/she can see that insomniacs hat is white, his/hers must be black.


Therefore, DrBones says "Black". I hope i didn't get colors/names all confused while doing this. It took some paper to figure out..:)


How's that?

p.s. Thank you for distracting me from my excrutiatingly boring summer job.

[saskmedman]

My answer would be the same as Caesar's. How do you guys get in so fast? What a neat question though bearman! I feel so special being a part of it!

[bearman14]

The problem with posing these types of questions on this forum is that you're dealing with a lot of extremely intelligent people! What would take many people hours of deduction takes you a few minutes. Nice work CC!!

On to you.... again.

Bearman

[CaesarCornelius]

1
11
21
1211
111221
312211
13112221


What is the next series of numbers? (this one has a very neat solution....)

[Lactic Folly]

1113213211

I'll let someone else give the rationale :)

[EMHC]

rationale:

You given one "1" one "3" two "1" three "2" and one "1" in the above sequence hence the answer for the next set is as stated by lactic folly

1 1 1 3 2 1 3 2 1 1

Try reading the above numbers like a combination and it will represent the number of numbers in the sequence.

:D

EMHC

[saskmedman]

Bearman,

These take me hours of deduction, and I still can't get them right!:p Some of us are less brilliant than others I guess.

Rod

[CaesarCornelius]

Good job you guys. I really like that one.

I guess Lactic is wearing the hat..:hat


CC

p.s. Its raining today, so it should be an EXTRA booooooring day..

[Lactic Folly]

EMHC can post the next question in the rotation :) (I had seen that riddle before.. that's why I didn't post the complete answer ;) )

Here's one on the side though, this time a word riddle:

As a whole, I am both safe and secure.
Behead me, and I become a place of meeting.
Behead me again, and I am the partner of ready.
Restore me, and I become the domain of beasts.
What am I?

[CaesarCornelius]

Lactic, I am still pondering your riddle. I'm sure it will be good.


Here is a nice one as well:

Who makes it, has no need of it. Who buys it, has no use for it. Who uses it can neither see nor feel it.

What is it??



CC

[8York]

LF: the answer is STABLE :hat

[8York]

Stable's safe & secure. Table is a place of meeting. Able's partner of ready. Domain of beasts? Stable.

CC: It's a Coffin.

[Lactic Folly]

Good work 8York! :)

[EMHC]

Well, I've got something here:

What do the following words have in common:

Last
Pet
Ball
Poll
Bug


EMHC:)

[Lactic Folly]

My first instinct is that they're all monosyllabic English words, but that can't be it..

[QM6]

I've seen it before so this is a bit of a cheat, but here's a hint - look at them now:

Last
Pet
Bill
Poll
Bug

Get it?

[summervirus]

They each have one vowel?

[Jerika81]

Not sure if this is it but I'll hazard a guess.

The vowel in each word can be replaced by any other vowel and it will still make a word.
I think this works for all of them except Poll, Pell and Pall are not words I'm familiar with...

[EMHC]

You got it Jerika81. Congradulations:D

It's your turn:hat

EMHC

[Jerika81]

OK, I still have a riddle in store but I'll go with trivia since we haven't had one in a while.
This is a two part question (to make things a little more difficult) and you have to get both parts right.

Find a picture of:
1)A type of white bear that is not a polar bear.
and
2)An animal that looks like a cross between a pig and an anteater, and is a member of the same animal family as the horse and rhinocerous.

[peachy]

1. Kermode Bear (http://www.kermode.net/terrace/spiritbear.html)

2. Tapir (http://www.exn.ca/Stories/1999/07/22/53.asp)

[Jerika81]

Wow, that was fast.
Did you actually have to look or did you already know?

I thought these were both pretty cool endangered species. I actually ran in to a tapir when I was in the Amazon a few months ago and it was the funniest thing I ever saw. It must have liked how I smelled or something because it followed me around one night when I was walking to the dining hut. Then the next night it was waiting outside my sleeping hut before I went to dinner and followed me there again. It's hooves made these cloping noises on the wooden pathway that sounded like a little horse following me.
I actually thought the cross between a pig and anteater clue would make this difficult, as that was how I personally described it, but apparently I'm not alone in my description as you found a website describing it in the same way. :D

Well Peachy, I guess you're the new quiz master, hopefully you can come up with something that takes people a while to figure out, but it's definitly hard with this crowd...

[peachy]

I looked them up :) Sounds like a pretty cool story, though! Funny about the pig/anteater - I would never have found it if that page hadn't said it... I figure that that was your source.

How about...

What is Canada's oldest medical school?
What is Canada's newest medical school? (OTHER than NOMS)

Include a source, 'cause I don't know the answers!

[Jerika81]

OK, I'm not 100% sure these are right but it's my best shot:

Oldest medical school is McGill
www.medicine.mcgill.ca/history/ (http://www.medicine.mcgill.ca/history/)

And I think the newest it U of C
www.ucalgary.ca/UofC/faculties/medicine/overview.html (http://www.ucalgary.ca/UofC/faculties/medicine/overview.html)

Not sure if this link thing will work since it's my first time trying it...

[peachy]

Well I believe ya .. So it's back in your court, and we can hear your riddle now.. :)

That's interesting about U of C, I think.

[Jerika81]

I'm going out of town so I can't play for the weekend.
Peachy I sent my riddle to your inbox before you posted, and I don't want to type it out again :D , so I'll let you post it.

[peachy]

Jerika's question: :)

A man walks down a long tunnel. At the end of the tunnel are two doors, with a guard in front of each. One door leads to Heaven, the other to Hell. One of the guards always lies, the other always tells the truth. The man wants to go through the Heaven door, but he doesn't know which one that is. He knows one guard always lies and the other always tells the truth, but he doesn't know which one is the liar, and he also doesn't know if the liar is standing in front of the Heaven door or the Hell door.
He is allowed to ask one of the guards a single question. What question should he ask to find out which door leads to Heaven?

[Lactic Folly]

If I asked the other guard if this door leads to Heaven or Hell, what would they say?

Say that you are in front of Hell. If the guard is a liar, he will say the truth teller will tell you this is Heaven. If the guard is a truth teller, he will also tell you that the liar will say this is Heaven instead.

[peachy]

You're the new quizmaster, Lactic Folly :)

[Lactic Folly]

Here's a trivia q:
Which US president and his wife both suffered from major mental illness?

[monkey]

Lf: for your answer on hell/heaven, did you mean to say hell in the last line instead of heaven?

[saskmedman]

I believe the answer is Jimmy and Rosalyn Carter. I don't have a reference because this is mostly a wild guess.

Rod

[bearman14]

I'm going with Ronald and Nancy Reagan. Ron with Alzheimers, and didn't Nancy Reagan battle major depression, or an eating disorder?

[Lactic Folly]

monkey: too many pronouns in that last sentence, I know! In the latter situation, the liar is in front of Heaven and you and the truth teller are in front of Hell. So you ask the truth teller what the liar would say this door is; the liar would lie to you that the door is actually Heaven, and the truth teller should tell you this.

About the presidents question: I got it off a trivia site (trying to find something less googlable) so I don't know if there is more than one right answer. The couple I had in mind go farther back in history, and aren't too obscure..

[kernelhoover]

Abraham Lincoln suffered from depression throughout his life. After his assasination is wife Mary Ann Todd went insane and was institutionalized.....

[Lactic Folly]

Grats kernelhoover, over to you :)

[kernelhoover]

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[saskmedman]

I coulda swore I got that one

[kernelhoover]

Looks like my picture won't show up.

Have to go with a trivia question.
What is the world's largest single drop waterfall?

[bearman14]

How about Kaieteur falls, in Guyana

[saskmedman]

That's what I got too. Damn, I'll never win!

[8York]

Saskmedman, I've won earlier when I gave the answers to 2 different questions (Stable & Coffin), but lost my turn. If Bearman doesn't come up with his question, should I?

[saskmedman]

Go ahead and post yours then 8york. This is all for fun anyway. Bearman can still post his, and whoever gets his right should be the next quizmaster. I also want to thank everyone who has participated so far. We are now less than 100 posts away from McGill. Keep it up gang!

[bearman14]

Oh, I'll come up with a question -- I just need confirmation that I was right ;)

Also, maybe we should make an "honour" rule that is no googling allowed. I basically just copied the question and pasted it into a search -- not a lot of intellectual skill there :\ Just a thought...

Bearman

[bearman14]

Geez -- maybe I should stop playing! I don't know if I want Saskatchewan to overtake my beloved McGill :p

Anyhoo, here's my question:

How old (on average) is the heart of a 50 year old man?

Bearman

ps) This is not a tricky or clever question -- just looking for chronological age of the heart.

[8York]

Ok, thanks.
What number (#) divided by 10 will give you a remainder of 9? The same # divided by 9 will have remainder 8; the same # divided by 8 will have remainder 7; and then 6, 5, 4, 3, 2 & 1 ?

[saskmedman]

Interesting question bearman. I'm not quite sure what you're getting at but I'll give it a shot. I'm only a 3rd year med (lol) so my knowledge of cardiac physiology is somewhat limited. I do believe though, that cardiac smooth muscle, just as neural tissue, is by and large incapable of regeneration, so the heart tissue itself would be as old as the organ itself. Since the first detectable heart beats in fetal life occur at around 8 weeks gestation, assuming an ideal preganancy which goes exctly 40 weeks, I will say the heart of a 50 year old man on the day of his 50th birthday is 50 years and 32 weeks old. This may all sound stupid, but hey, I had to try.

[kernelhoover]

Way to go bearman....

[bearman14]

Sorry Saskmedman, you're still a little (or is it a lot) off...

Keep the guesses comin' though!

[Jerika81]

This took a little while, but I get

2519

for the answer to 8Yorks.

Have no idea about the heart one. I just figure a 50 year-olds heart is 50 years old...

[8York]

Congratulations, Jerika81. 2519 is not the answer that I have, but of course it works too. How did you solve it? (math formula/technique?)

[saskmedman]

Was Jerika right about the heart question too?

[Jerika81]

I just got out a calculator and piece of paper and started trying numbers. A pattern started developing pretty quick so it only took about 10 mins. The tricky part is trying to figure out how to get the remainders when you divide the numbers, as the calculator will just give you a decimal...

[Jerika81]

Hey Saskmedman,
Did you notice that this is now the 4th hottest discussion?
Only 50 posts away from the hottest discussion...

[bearman14]

Hey,

Nope, sorry -- Jerika81 was not correct on the heart question. Finally, a question that has lasted more than a couple hours... :smokin

[saskmedman]

Where do I find out the hottest discussions? That's amazing, this has surpassed even my wildest dreams.

Bearman, I'm looking forward to see the answer and the rationale behind it for your heart question. Might have to start a new thread to argue that one! Just joking.:p

Rod

[saskmedman]

I just found the hottest discussions and this one is actually #2!!!! Let's keep her rollin' guys! We can get #1 and never let go of it. Try and bring more people into this as well. I advertised in the moderators forum but it doesn't look like many people have been in there lately.

[dfenst]

I am just coming here for the first time and can't go thru 6 pages of posts...is there a system for knowing who's turn it is, because it seems like there are a few questions going at once. Can you just post a question, or is it still the winner of the previous question who gets to ask?

Thanks,

Dan

PS: Great idea!

[saskmedman]

The first post says it all, but it sounds like you pretty much got the idea. Who ever answers the current question correctly gets to ask the next question. We've had people ask questions when they were not the "quizmaster" but it really doesn't matter. If too many people were firing questions at once it would just be chaotic. I believe bearman is the current quizmaster with his heart question. Bearman, I think if no one gets the answer by Wednesday at noonish you should post the answer and go ahead with another question. I'm dying to know the answer.

Rod

[UTMed07]

Does this have something to do with fitnessage (http://www.fitnessage.com/web/about/what_is/age_vs_fa.html)... or the number of beats the average person's heart makes?

The 'on average' part suggests it is population thingy...

Are there prizes for the most original answer?
I was thinking theory of special relativity... if a person flies a lot they will be a few fractions of a second younger relative to the ground 'cause of something called time dilation (http://physics.pdx.edu/~egertonr/ph311-12/relativ.htm). Since a sizable portion of people fly the average age of 50 year olds along with their heart (relative to the ground --where we keep our atomic clocks and measure time) will be slightly younger than 50. :p

[bearman14]

Ha ha! UTMed07 -- that's a great answer, though I'm still going to have to say that it is not correct. Definitely bonus points for "thinking outside the box"!

I'll give a slight hint: The myocardium, contrary to what was initially believed, is actually incredibly plastic. Therefore, the heart itself (for arguments sake, let's exclude the connective tissue and pericardium) is being turned over at a surprisingly fast rate. The challenge now is to figure out what that rate is... :eek

[Never2Late]

OK... here's my guestimate.

Assuming that the 50 yr old man lives a healthy lifestyle by eating properly, performing in regular cardiovascular exercise, and avoiding such things as smoking - I would think that his heart would be closer to the age of 36.

Just thought I'd have a stab at the question!

[CaesarCornelius]

After a bit of searching I still haven't come to a stong conclusion, but one paper I read said that if the myocytes were not dividing then there would be no heart left by early adulthood (18??).

So a new heart every ~20 years. So a fifty year old man would have regenerated 2.5 times.. So the heart would be 10 years old??

CC

[bearman14]

Never2Late & CaesarCornelius -- Getting closer, but still off.

3 hours til the answer is posted. Could it be -- could this question have stumped the collective genious of the Premed forum?!?!

[CaesarCornelius]

Im not sure what clock you're using and therefore cannot be certain as to when the "question that stumped them all" will be posted.


Perhaps in 30 mins??

CC


p.s. We are only a few posts away from being number 1.

[bearman14]

Well, it's not quite noon, but to keep the pace of the quiz forum flowing, I'll throw in the towel. The correct answer was:

10 days old

Interestingly, the myocardial tissue regenerates every 10 days or so. Basically, you have a new heart every week and a half. Unfortunately, or coincidentally, depending on how you view it, I cannot find the reference for it right now (I'm in the middle of a big move, so everything is in boxes), but it was one of the fascinating facts learned in a cardiovascular/muscle phys grad course with Dr. Ter Keurs (do a pubmed search on his name if you want to verify his authority :p )

So, I'll toss out an easy one:

Who was the first person to summit all fourteen 8000m peaks?

[CaesarCornelius]

Reinhold Messner


CC

**
Ed Viesturs tried, but still has three to go.

www.edviesturs.com (http://www.edviesturs.com)

[bearman14]

Nice work, CC. The torch passes to you (once again)...

Bearman

ps) Ed Viesturs is an amazing climber, and his level of heroics during the '96 season on Everest was amazing, but I very nearly lost all respect for him when I made the mistake of renting "Vertical Limit" and sitting through that schmaltzy Hollywood poo...

[CaesarCornelius]

Which writer (USA,famous) was born when Halley's comet was visible and predicted that he would die when it returned again. He was right by the way.

He said "I came in with Halley's Comet in 1835. It is coming again next year, and I expect to go out with it.... The Almighty has said, no doubt: 'Now here are these two unaccountable freaks; they came in together, they must go out together.'"

CC

[saskmedman]

I believe it was Samuel Langhorn Clemens, otherwise known as Mark Twain. I have no reference for this, just one of those trivial tid-bits I think I know. I'll wait for confirmation before I post a question.

[CaesarCornelius]

:lol :lol :lol :lol HURRAH FOR SASKMEDMAN!:lol :lol :lol :lol


The creator is now wearing the hat (or is it a torch?)


CC

[QM6]

No no, it's a conch! :)

[saskmedman]

Ok gang, here's my second question. It's a toughy, hopefully it will make people repeatedly guess and get those posts up even more! Only 57 behind McGill now. Anyway, here's my question:

North Dakota is the only american state never to have had one of these. What is it?

God luck!

Rod

[bearman14]

State flower?

[saskmedman]

sorry bearman, that's not it. But you may try again now that I have told you you are wrong (see my first post for unofficial rules) lol

[CaesarCornelius]

An Earthquake?


kalf.com/2morningimpossible.shtml (http://kalf.com/2morningimpossible.shtml)

CC

[saskmedman]

Sheesh CC, I can't believe you found that. That's even the same site where I got the question. You must have done the same google search as I did. You're up!

[CaesarCornelius]

Ok, here it is.

What famous canadian (although, back then they were all british i think) burned a very famous U.S. house, causing it to be renamed and where is he buried?

Cheers and happy googling..:) (*ahem*..deliberately vague)..


CC

[saskmedman]

Luckily I am a huge Arrogant Worms fan so I happen to know that the british burned down the white house during the War of 1812. So that was my starting point. Sorry, CC, after knowing that googling this one was easy, but great question. I love history. Anyway, to answer your question. Sir George Cockburn was the man credited for burning down the President's house, as it was known then. The second incarnation was called the Executive Mansion, but it is now popularily known as the White House. Now I'm desperatley searching for his resting place and I can't find it for the life of me. Guess I'll have to come back in a few hours. Hope no beats me to it!

[CaesarCornelius]

Hey Saskmedman,

I am also big into military history.. I was actually thinking of another person. He was a Major General in the British army.

Im not sure if there was a communal "lighting" of the Presidents house, but maybe.


Do you know the name of the other guy?

CC

p.s. The guy I was thinking of now rests close to me..:)


****
I actually looked up Sir George Cockburn and it turns out that you were close, but that he was cooperating with the army (Sir George Cockburn was an admiral in the navy)... The General he was cooperating with was the one I was thinking of. I think that's why you found his name as well.

[bearman14]

Man -- this took a while to find, but I now know much more about the War of 1812 than I did before. The burner was:

Major General Robert Ross

He was buried on 29 September 1814, with full military honors at St. Paul's Church in Halifax, Nova Scotia.

www.myedgemere.com/local_...g_ross.htm (http://www.myedgemere.com/local_history/mg_ross.htm)

Bearman

[CaesarCornelius]

Congrats Bear and Saskmedman,


Yeah, I guess you're both right, so lets get two trivia questions on the go...:)

In grade 11 my history teacher took us to that cemetary and told us to write a report on what we could find. Luckily I overheard a tour guide (can U believe that?) mentioning Major General Robert Ross and was able to write a bit on him. The cemetary is right by Dal.

GJ guys (gals? :o )..


CC

[bearman14]

OK -- here's another one:

What does "Adirondack" mean, and did the Adirondack mountains come by their name?

(I have a buddy from Northern New York, so I asked him for some interesting trivia)

*****
This actually may be too easy -- stinkin' Google!!!!

[saskmedman]

Go ahead bearman, you got the answer he was looking for. I was going to post one too but I can't find a good one tonight so I'll just wait for bear's question. We're almost number one guys!

[QM6]

On the train from Montreal to New York (also named the Adirondack) there's a short little historical talk they give along the way, and I remember something about a Native tribe with that name in the area. (It was a good long 10-hour ride, so not that much stuck by the end of it...)

Of course that won't do for you guys, so I had to give in and find a cite (http://www.adirondack.net/history): "the name "Adirondack" was not the name of one individual tribe, although it is an authentic Indian word. It was originally a term the Iroquois used to refer to the Algonquins who were forced to live on tree buds and bark during the severe winters. However the meaning of the term "adirondack" is often disputed. J.B. Hewitt of the Smithsonian Institution believed that it was derived from the language of a tribe of Indians that lived on the lower Saint Lawrence in the early 1500's and that it meant "They of the Great Rocks". When it was passed on to the Iroquois the meaning got jumbled to mean "They Who Eat Trees"."

[bearman14]

Nice work QM6!

You have the conch... though, who is Piggy now?!?!

[saskmedman]

I'll be piggy! Sucks to my asthmar!

[QM6]

Okay, this one's a bit silly but I was trying to figure out something both medical and Canadian yet not too easily Googlable... So here we go - what two ways could you earn "MD CM" after your name? (Well, I only know two, there could be more.)

(saskmedman: Ms Thompson would be proud...)

[UTMed07]

Seemed rather easy to google (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Queens+%22MD+CM%22&btnG=Google+Search). Answer: Go to Queen's or McGill... or at least it was like this in the past.

Look at Ottawa's Neuroscience department (http://www.grad.uottawa.ca/programmes/doctorats/neuroscience/corps_professoral.html):
BROUGHTON, Roger J., MD,CM(Queen's), PhD(McGill), FRCP(C), Professor
HENDELMAN, Walter, MD,CM(McGill), Professor

[QM6]

Ah, should've been more clear... what two _current_ ways could you get "MD CM" (Queen's hasn't done it since the class of 1960 or thereabouts)? (I suppose it is a bit of a tricky question...)

[UTMed07]

I suppose it is a bit of a tricky question...

Okie.

1. earn the MD CM (at McGill)
2. have McGill handed it to you on a silver platter - MD CM (honorary) :p

#2 is very unusual (http://www.mcgill.ca/news/archives/spring2000/newsbites/three/)... but it has happened.

[QM6]

Wow, I wasn't thinking that tricky! Besides, McGill doesn't give out the MD CM as an honorary degree currently (http://www.mcgill.ca/secretariat/statutes/honorary).

You are thinking along the right track though... if no one else comes up with anything else you should be the next quiz-master.

Edited for spelling

[medicator007]

QM6,

We may have had this discussion before....

1) McGill for sure gives out the MDCM

2) I believe U of Edinburgh medical college still does, since the 4 founders of McGill were trained there, they brought the tradition to McGill.

3) I heard from Dr. Wallis, History of Medicine Prof.... that when Osler went down to Johns Hopkins he brought the MDCM degree to that school.. though i confess not to know if they still continue.

[CaesarCornelius]

This thread is currently the hottest thread on the premed101 forum.


:D

CC

[QM6]

Okay, the question was poorly phrased - my bad. I should have specified current and Canadian from the beginning... Anyway, I was looking for (1) going to McGill or (2) finishing an MD, and then becoming a member of the Order of Canada (http://www.gg.ca/honours/ocmem_e.asp) to get the CM - two ways you could earn "MD CM" after your name. Sorry, it was a silly question!

Yeah, I remember that thread medicator007, that's where the idea came from. From the beginning, Queen's (itself modelled on Edinburgh) also gave out the MD CM, but apparently the rationale for dropping the "CM" in the 60s was the change from a 5-year to a 4-year programme, and the powers that be didn't believe a four-year degree made you a master of anything. Our History of Medicine prof Dr Duffin also suggests there could've been some pressure from the Royal College ("no one's a surgeon until they come through us" sort of thing), but can't say for sure.

I suppose UTMed07 got closest though, so it's all yours...

[kosmo14]

I did some searching yesterday to see if I could come up with the answer. As far as I could tell Johns Hopkins deos not give out CM anymore, and U of Edinburgh gives out MBChB as of 1990.

[UTMed07]

Here is my question...

What breakthrough in the 1950s allowed supersonic aircraft to be built and what did the discoverer of it have in common with the Wright brothers?

Hints:
1. The breakthrough lead to a factor-of-2 reduction in the peak drag near Mach 1.
2. The discovery was considered so important the government classified it as 'secret' for some time in the 1950s.
3. It lead a large aircraft part to have a beverage container look. :p

[bearman14]

Now that I know we're keeping score, I'm gunnin' for first place.

How's this:

"The transonic effects are larger for thicker (more curved) airfoil (transonic flow being the flow over a wing surface that is mixed with both subsonic and supersonic flow regions). As a result, the terminating shock and the associated shock induced flow separation are stronger.

As M(infinite) increases beyond the critical Mach number, the drag coefficient suddenly starts to increase. The Mach number at which the sudden drag increase occurs is defined as the drag-divergence Mach number.

The drag divergence is caused by the shock-induced flow separation. It is the cause of the so called “sound barrier” term coined in 1940s and 1950s.

The Area Rule:

The area rule can be simply stated as follows: the variation of cross-sectional area for an airplane should be smooth, with no discontinuity. As result, in the region of wings and tail, the fuselage cross sectional area should decrease. This led to a “coke bottle” fuselage shape. Typically, the area rule leads to a factor of 2 reduction in peak drag near Mach 1.

This lead to the develpment of the Supercritical Airfoil. For high-speed subsonic aircraft, it is desirable to have high drag divergence Mach number. To increase M(cr) is one solution. Supercritical airfoil is another solution.

The supercritical airfoil has a relatively flat top so the the Mach number in the supersonic region is lower than other high-speed airfoils and the terminating shock is weaker, thus creating less drag.

This design cause negative camber in the forward portion of the airfoil and less lift there. This lift loss is compensated by “extreme” positive camber on the rear 30% of the airfoil.

Another advantage of the supercritical airfoil is that it can be thicker and thus have better rigidity."

aerosrv.atl.calpoly.edu/j...nsonic.ppt (http://aerosrv.atl.calpoly.edu/jtso/aero405_f02/405PowerPts/Transonic.ppt)

[UTMed07]

bearman14:

Good work... but can you answer the second part?

What did the guy who came up with the area-rule have in common with the Wright brothers (aside from the obvious of having made large contributions to aerodynamics)?

[bearman14]

Geez -- I need to read the whole question first, I guess. Off to search that out...

[bearman14]

The only thing I've been able to come up with is that Richard Whitcomb (developer of the Area Rule) was awarded the 1974 Wright brothers memorial trophy, and that he was presented with another award on the 100th anniversary of the Kitty Hawk flight. But I imagine the link is much more clever than that,

Perhaps I'll leave that part of the answer to someone else (I'll share the point with you :p )

[UTMed07]

But I imagine the link is much more clever than that,
Sort of... it is a personal detail not related to their work.

If no one finds it before 12:30 EDT today you're the next quiz master and I'll post the answer.

[UTMed07]

Answer:

part 1:
Whitcomb's area-rule

part 2:
none of them ever married


Part 1:
For almost a century, it was well known by ballisticians that the speed of a supersonic bullet or artillery shell with a smooth variation of the cross-sectional area was higher than projectiles with abrupt or discontinuous area distributions. Whitcomb put this knowledge to work on the problem of transonic flight of airplanes. He reasoned that the variation of cross-sectional area for an airplane should be smooth, with no discontinuities. This meant that, in the region of the wings and tail, the fuselage cross-sectional area should decrease to compensate for the addition of the wing and tail cross-sectional area. This led to a 'coke bottle' fuselage shape -- this site (http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/aerodynamics/q0104.shtml) has a nice picture.

Part 2:
Parallels between the personalities of the Wright brothers and Richard Whitcomb:
1. They were totally dedicated to their work (none of them ever married).
2. They did a great deal of their work themselves, trusting only their own results.

Source: 2nd Ed. of this (http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/ASIN/0072373350/qid%3D1059324483/702-4078436-9772818) book.

bearman14 you're up. :)

[bearman14]

Alright -- we'll go a bit "nerdish" with this question (though I suppose arguments could be presented that this whole exercise is a bit "nerdish" :p :

Name 5 characters from the Lord of the Rings books who were unforgivenly left out of the first two movies.

Bonus Question:

Name the character who slew the Lord of the Balrogs, allowing for the residents of Gondolin to excape in the Silmarilian, and who makes an appearance in LOTR (but it is unresolved as to whether this is the same person).

I suppose whoever answers the first question will become the "Quiz-master", while whoever answers the bonus question will become the "Nerd-Master" (a much loftier title ;) )

Bearman

ps) I heard a rumor that the first edit of "The Return of the King" was 6 hours long!!!

[Jerika81]

Ooh you have opened up a whole can of nerdiness with that question.

Here are 5 characters that I think were relatively important that were left out:
1)Fatty Bolger
2)Tom Bombadil
3)Goldberry
4)Glofindel
5)Bregalad/Quickbeam

And I think the answer to the bonus question is the same as #4- Glorfindel, although I'm pretty sure it's not the same person/elve as the original Glorfindel was slain when he was battling the lord of the Balrogs. There is actually a fair bit of reusing of names as there were some elves in the Silmarillion with names like Denethor and Boromir- sort of strange.

So it looks like I am the new quiz-master, fortunately I have known all along that I am the Nerd-Master.

[Jerika81]

Bearman:
What 5 characters do you think were unforgivenly left out?

[bearman14]

Nicely done, Jerika81!! I agree with each of your suggestions, and would add:

1) Fatty Lumpkin
2) Erkenbrand (brutal move in the movie to make that Eomer who comes down the hill)
3) THE HUORNS!! -- though I've heard they may show up in the extended DVD.
4) Many at the Council of Elrond, though they could have been there and and they eliminated their dialog (Gloin, Erestor, et al.)


I could go on and on with difficulties I found with "The Two Towers" (Aragorn falling off the cliff -- what's up with that?!?!; the bastardization of Faramir's character, ect), but I think I was most disappointed by the removal of Glorfindel to be replaced by Arwen in the FOTR! Glorfindel was one of the coolest characters, in my eyes (man -- nerd alert!). And there is some speculation that "Glorfindel's spirit returned to the Halls of Waiting, but was after a time re-embodied by the Valar. He then returned to Middle-earth (either in the mid-Second Age, or as a companion of the Istari in the Third). For the full story of his return, refer to The Peoples of Middle-earth."

www.glyphweb.com/arda/g/glorfindel.html (http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/g/glorfindel.html)

You now have the conch!

[Jerika81]

Although I love the books I still loved the movies too, and I could understand why most of the changes were made. The one that I was most upset by was the change in Faramirs character. I really don't understand why they made him seem sort of evil and like Boromir when he was pretty much the opposite in the book. Maybe it will make sense in Return of the King? Maybe they'll also make sense of why Sam and Frodo were taken to Osgiliath? Although they do poke fun at that in the actual movie- Sam saying "By rights we shouldn't even be here right now".

OK, so I'm going to try something different with my question.

Who is my favourite science fiction writer?0]

Note: this question isn't as stupid as it seems, and it's not hard to figure out.

[CaesarCornelius]

Isaac Asimov?



Can believe I edited a two word post??

[bearman14]

William Shatner?!?!

C'mon -- everybody loves Tek Wars. don't they?

[therealcrackers]

Caesar, no I can't believe you edited a two word post. And it's STILL misspelt! :o :rollin

I'll try George R.R. Martin

[Jerika81]

Nope sorry, none of those 3 are right.
You can guess again now- but that might take a while.

Hint: You shouldn't have to look very far to find the answer.

[CaesarCornelius]

J.K. Rowling?


not that i... Um.. well... :eek

[saskmedman]

J.R.R. Tolkein is my guess. I last looked at my beloved forum on Friday and I can't believe what I'm seeing today. You guys rock, we're #1!!!:rollin

[kernelhoover]

aldous huxley?

[Jerika81]

Those are all good guesses, but none are right so far.

Hint: You should not have to look farther than these forums to find the answer...

[bearman14]

AHA! could it be... Orson Scott Card?

pub125.ezboard.com/fpreme...21&stop=40 (http://pub125.ezboard.com/fpremed101frm34.showMessageRange?topicID=216.topic&start=21&stop=40)

I actually responded to that original post. My brain just took a little while to warm up. 8o


Look out Saskatchewan Forum Quiz -- Bearman's on a roll! Ha Ha!

ps) Are you SURE it's not William Shatner?!?!

[Jerika81]

Haha- yes, see it really wasn't meant to be a hard question, just not googleable.:)

Yeah, I'm quite sure it's Orson Scott Card and not William Shatner.

Once again you are quiz master bearman.

[bearman14]

OK

What is the only animal known to actively hunt and eat humans?


(i.e. Humans can be considered a "normal" part of its diet, unlike cougars, for example, who have killed and eaten humans before, but usually only in cases of starvation or some other desparation)

[therealcrackers]

The Nile crocodiles, and probably the Australian "salties", too...

[CaesarCornelius]

Im going to go with:

Bengal Tiger



Although i did find some other info that suggest that polar bears also actively hunt and eat humans.

www.un-bd.org/unwa/HomePage/Publications/ womun-vol27/0212/p08-sunderbans.htm (http://www.un-bd.org/unwa/HomePage/Publications/)

CC

[saskmedman]

How about cannibalistic humans? Sure, that doesn't apply to all members of the species, but I think it's a good answer!;)

Rod

[Insomniac01]

How about the mosquitos in saskatchewan during the months of June - August. These guys have to be most aggressive species of mosquitos out there. The way they team up on me makes me believe they want more than just my blood. :( .

Ok jokes aside ... I think the good ol African Lion is a human hunter.

[Dr Love]

Polar Bears are known to actively hunt humans. So thats my answer.

[bearman14]

Hmmmm.... I have heard that Polar Bears have been recorded as tracking and hunting humans, but that wasn't the animal I was thinking of. I think the tigers and lions (and bears, oh my) will eat humans, but not naturally. As for the mosquitos, I spent a summer in Northern Ontario as a canoe guide, and I agree they are near man-eating as any species on earth. The cannibals are pretty clever, though.

Anyhoo, I think therealcrackers is close to the right track for the answer I had in mind. But if nobody gets it soon, we can go with the polar bears (I should have said "What TWO animals", but I didn't have confirmation about the Polar Bears...)

[Dr Love]

With the name bearman I thought that would for sure be the answer:lol

CC I hope you don't mind if I throw in a question, since polar bears was you second answer, and you've had a chance to post so many

here it goes:

You have just arrived at the scene of a huge accident in which 12 people were killed. The bodies have been burned beyond recognition (and you can't take dental records or do DNA testing). The family of one of the vicitms has offered you $1 million dollars if you can identify their loved one within 24 hours, so that they can be buried in the family plot. The only other information that you have is that the victim of intrest has a liver of abnormal weight (either lighter or heavier), we'll also assume for the sake of argument that the rest of the victims all have livers of identical weight. You ask to have all of the livers sent to your lab, but when they arrive you realize that your you can only use your old balance scale three more times before it breaks. So, in three weighs on your balance scale, how can you determine which is the odd liver, and if it is heavier or lighter?

You can't get a new scale or determine weights by hand since the liver may only be 1 or 2 grams heavier or lighter than the others. The livers all look identical.

Good Luck, and if you've heard it before don't ruin it for everyone else. It took me five hours to figure this one out.

L8er

[saskmedman]

Hey Dr. Love, welcome to the Sask Forum Quiz! I hate to upset you, but CC has already asked pretty much the exact same question on the second page of this forum. However, I prefer the livers! If it's not the same question, someone please correct me but it seems to me they are more or less the same. Also, now that CC is gratiously keeping score, I think it would make things easier if we only ask a question once we've been named "quizmaster." Sorry Dr. Love, hope you don't mind.

Also, all I can find on google that hunts humans are tigers. Guess my cannibal answer wasn't good enough:(

[Jerika81]

Yeah, that sounds like the same question as CCs to me.

I'm going to guess the American Alligator.

[Dr Love]

Its not the same question (it is a lot harder since you don't know whether the different one is heavier or lighter) but I will follow the rules, and withdraw my question for now

L8er

PS I still think it is polar bear.

[bearman14]

OK -- no giving me flack over this one, because apparently I didn't do a thorough google check before I asked the question...

I saw a PBS show a few years ago (and who can argue with PBS, really) that said the only animal that actively hunts humans for the purpose of eating is the Komodo Dragon.

www.unmuseum.org/bigliz.htm (http://www.unmuseum.org/bigliz.htm)

But evidently, everyone and their dog has heard that the Polar Bear does the same thing (and apparently, so do tigers, Nile crocodiles, mosquitos, cannibals, Saskatchewan Premeds, etc.). Sooooo, since CC and Dr. Love both put "Polar Bears" down, I will defer to the wisdom of Quiz-Creator Saskmedman to determine who the next Quiz-Master is. Or, I can propose a new question:

Who was/is Canada's longest serving Prime Minister?

[Dr Love]

I saw that same PBS show

Now I really want to see if you guys can answer the question i previously posted so Mackenzie King was Canada's longest serving Prime Minister with a term that lasted for over 21 years.

canadaonline.about.com/li...32000a.htm (http://canadaonline.about.com/library/quiz/q1/bl32000a.htm)

[PARTY cal]

I would have to say good old Chretien...it just seems like he has been there forever!!!

[Jerika81]

I believe Sir Wilfred Laurier served the longest continuous term
(1896-1911).

[saskmedman]

I will confirm for Dr. Love that Mackenzie King is the longest served prime minister, with a term of 21 years, 5 months and 1 day. I think Dr. Love wants us to take a shot at that other question. I'm not even gonna try, that's way above my head. Good luck everyone!

Rod

[bearman14]

Yup -- Dr. Love got it! I don't have a clue about the liver question, so I'm not going to hazzard a guess at this time...

Dr. Love has the conch!

[Jerika81]

I spent a little time trying to figure out, but I could only ever narrow it down to two livers.

Are you sure the scale won't last 4 times?

Perhaps this requires more thinking out of the box than my brain will allow.:D

[CaesarCornelius]

Ok, since apparently there is a bit of "already been quizmaster"-discrimination going on in this forum, I thought I might take a stab at the question.


Divide livers into three groups of 4. Put two of the groups on the scale. If they balance then the odd liver is in the group that was not put on the balance group. Take two of the livers from the third group and place them on either side of the balance. Take two livers from one of the other two groups (which were all the same weight) and place them on either side of the balance. So now you have one of each, on either side of the balance.

If it balances then remove all of the livers from the balance and take one of the two livers that you didn't weigh from the third group and place it on one side of the balance and place one of the livers from the first two groups on the other side. If the scale balances, then the odd liver is the only one you haven't yet weighed, if it is unbalanced, then you know that it is the one from the third group that you JUST weighed.


*deep breath*...

Ok, now say that the second weighing was unbalanced. Remove one of the second group of livers and one of the third group of livers on opposite sides of the scale. If it now balances, then you know that the odd liver is the one from the third group in your hand. If it is unbalanced, then you know that the odd one is the liver from the third group that is still on the balance.

Ok, now wash all that liver guck off of your hands and imagine that the very first weighting was unbalanced (Ie. group 1 and 2 were not equal).

Take three livers from group 1 off of the scale and move three livers from group 2 over to the side that group 1 is on. Add three livers from group 3 to the side that group 2 was on. So it would look like this (2221 v 2333).

If, after this change, the TILT stays the same then the odd liver must be one of the ones that didn't change position. To figure out which one of the two of those it is, place the one from group 1 that did not change position on one side and one from group 3 on the other side. If it balances, then the odd ball was the one from group 2 that did not change sides, and if it is unbalanced then it is one from group 1 that is on the scale.

If back when the scale was (2221 vs 2333) the TILT changes, then the odd liver must be in group 2 that changed sides. If the livers now balance then the odd liver must be in the three from group 1 that you took off of the scale

To figure out which one is the odd liver in either of the two cases (because you have three left over in the end in either case), you place two of the three on the scale. If they balance, then the odd liver is the one left out.


Ok, so if they are un balanced you have the odd liver on the scale, now is it heavier or lighter. This is a bit confusing and I may have it wrong, but you should know whether the odd liver is heavier or lighter from the second weighing. If, when you moved the three group 2 livers from one side to the other
the scale changed tilt, then you know its either heavier or lighter (depending on how it changed). If it went from tilted to balanced you know that the three you removed were either heavier or lighter (again, depending on how it changed).


So when you weigh the last three livers, you already know whether its heavier or lighter and then can pick the correct vicitms liver and claim the million dollars.


CC

[saskmedman]

Holy @#%$ CC, I hope you got that right for your sake. By the way CC, I was noticing one instance one page 2 where you answered a question but handed the "conch" to kosmo. I hope you credited yourself with a point there and not kosmo. We've beat McGill and are now going after Dalhousie!

[CaesarCornelius]

must...stop...posting...dal...alma mater....no...cant...surpass..



:rollin

[Dr Love]

Very well done, I am truly impressed. How long did it take you to figure that out? (any less than 5 hours and 10 sheets of paper and you are a better man than I). I really thought no one would get it so I already had the answer written out, here is my answer:
Divide the livers into three piles of 4
Group 1 - ABCD
Group 2- EFGH
Group 3- IJKL
First weighing: Compare ABCD and EFGH.
* If ABCD=EFGH, you know the Liver of interest (LOI) is among IJKL. Use your 2nd weighing to compare AI and JK (you know A is ordinary):
-- If AI=JK, you know L is the LOI. You may compare L and A in the 3rd weighing to determine if L is heavy or light.
-- If AI and JK are not equal, you know L is ordinary. Use your 3rd weighing to compare J and K.
-- If J=K, you know I is the LOI (the result of the second weighing tells you if it's heavy or light).
-- Otherwise, the LOI is either J or K and you can tell which: It's the heavier one if we had AI>JK on the second weighing, it's the lighter one if we had AI<JK.
* If ABCD is not equal to EFGH, you know IJKL are ordinary (we may use L as a known ordinary liver in the rest of the procedure). Also, you will always know from this first weighing whether the LOI is heavy or light, once you've determined which it is.
Use the 2nd weighing to compare ABE and CFL:
-- If ABE=CFL, you know the Special Liver is among DGH. You may use the 3rd weighing to compare G and H:
-- If G=H, then D is the special liver.
-- If G and H are not equal, the special liver is the heavier one if we had ABCD<EFGH, and the lighter one if we saw ABCD>EFGH.
-- If ABE and CFL are not equal, the special liver is among ABCEF and we may distinguish four cases:
* ABCD>EFGH (from first weighing) and ABE>CFL (second weighing):
Either F is light or one of AB is heavy.
Compare A and B in the 3rd weighing to find out.
--if A=B then F is light
--if A>B then A is heavy
--if A<B then B is heavy
- ABCD>EFGH and ABE<CFL:
Either E is light or C is heavy.
Compare C and L in the 3rd weighing to find out.
--if C>L then C is heavy
--if C=L then E is light
- ABCD<EFGH and ABE<CFL:
Either F is heavy or one of AB is light.
Compare A and B in the 3rd weighing to find out.
--similar reasoning as in first scenario
- ABCD<EFGH and ABE>CFL:
Either E is heavy or C is light.
Compare C and L in the 3rd weighing to find out.
--similar reasoning as in second scenario
Kudos to CC and anyone who got even remotely close to that answer (I think it is the most challenging riddle I have ever solved).

On to you CC

[CaesarCornelius]

Ok, probably easily google-able.. But anyway..

What was saskatchewan called before it became a province, and in what year did that happen?


CC

[QM6]

Back in the day it was part of the Northwest Territories. What used to be the three districts of Assiniboia, Saskatchewan and Athabasca make up the easy-to-draw borders of Saskatchewan today. And this all happened in 1905.

Yay for Grade 12 History!

[QM6]

Oh, here's a map (http://www.nlc-bnc.ca/2/2/h2-1450-e.html) if anyone's interested.

[Dr Love]

I thought it was originally called Oklamow-Ce-Pee, a cree word meaning big river. but that is just a guess and i have no clue about the date

L8er

[CaesarCornelius]

Good Job QM6. 8o

You're up!



Not sure about that name Dr.Love, but QM6 had what I was looking for, and a speedy one at that!

CC

[QM6]

Okay, here we go, hopefully I can ask this more clearly... Phoenix AZ and what other place are the only major cities in North America not built on a coast or a major river?

[Jerika81]

I'm going to guess Las Vegas, Nevada.

[QM6]

Hmm... that's not the answer I have, but yeah, it's right though!

I was citing from a City of Regina advertising feature that was delivered to every Regina household (presumably to boost civic pride and awareness) on 27 October 2001, and number 13 of "100 Great Things About Regina" read, "Regina, Saskatchewan and Phoenix, Arizona are the only major North American cities not built on a major river."

Other fun Regina facts (I think they're facts, anyway, but based on the above mistake now I'm not so sure) is that we have the biggest urban park in North America (2 300 acres vs NYC's Central Park's 843), the nation's tallest indoor climbing wall and Canada's first licensed airport. I Love Regina! (http://www.regina.ca/content/city_hall/mayors_office/love_regina.shtml)

[Jerika81]

OK, here's the next question. Fill in the blanks.

The novel "Brave New World" by Aldous Huxley, is set in the future.
The year is _____ A.F. at the start of the novel.
This is the equivalent of the year _____ according to our current system.
And the A.F. stands for _____ _____.

[therealcrackers]

632 AF
Which is 2564 (from 1932)
AF is "after Ford" because Charing Cross Road is now Charing "T" Road

[Jerika81]

That is pretty much right except that 1932 is the year the book was first published, and I think the 632 should be counted from 1863, the year Henry Ford was born, making it 2495.

But your answer was close enough, so you're the new quiz master therealcrackers.

[therealcrackers]

Alll-righty then... next question.

What period of life is chronicled in the fossil record first discovered in Yoho National Park? What is the name given to the rock formation itself? And what representative fossil in that formation lasted the longest?

[saskmedman]

Yeah! I think I get one. Hopefully you're referring to the Burgess Shale fossils which are from the Cambrian period. I'll just have to guess that the cyanobacteria found in it are the "longest lasting" though I'm not really sure what that part of the question is getting at.

[therealcrackers]

Saskmedman,
you get the first two parts, for sure, so you will have the conch for the next round. If I rephrase it to say which representative fossil THAT FIRST APPEARS in the Burgess Shale lasted the longest, that will derive the answer I'm looking for...

[Dr Love]

I'm gonna guess trilobyte

[therealcrackers]

Yep, you got it!

Saskmedman has the next question...

[saskmedman]

I'm really sorry everyone that it's taken me so long to post my question. I'm killing my own creation! Ok, here's my question. I'll do my best to check back soon, but with the long weekend that may be tough. Hopefully someone gets by this afternoon so I can pass the conch and not worry about it. Ok, here it is: On an american $100 bill, there is a picture of the clock tower of independence hall. What time is it on that clock? Good luck gang!

Rod

[Dr Love]

It's around 4:10, you need a microscope to see it.

L8er

[IRNBRUD]

It is 4:10 ;)
IB

[IRNBRUD]

Argh! Beat by 3 mins! :(

[saskmedman]

Nice one Dr. Love. Take it away. Keep it going over the weekend if you guys can! Later!

Rod

[Dr Love]

In 1936 JRR Tolkein was able to make an unusual mathematical claim. Sometime in the 21st century PartyCal (and others born in, 1980) will be able to make the same claim. What is this claim? (Hint it has something to do with birthdays)

L8er

[saskmedman]

Geez, Dr. Love. This one is driving me crazy. I'm dying to know the answer because I was born in 1980. Please, end my suffering! Or, maybe wit for tomorrow. Up to you!

Rod

[kernelhoover]

In 1936 JRR could divide the year by his age and get his age back in return.

He was 44 in 1936 so 1936/44=44

In 2025 those born in 1980 will be able to be the same claim. We will be 45.
2025/45= 45

[Dr Love]

Very Nicely done, You're up next. Make it a good one.

L8er

[kernelhoover]

You'll have to use your imagination for this one but below is a picture of Wilbur the toothpick pig.

-------------------\
I........................\
I.........................\
I..........................\ Wilbur's nose
I........................../
I........................./
I......................../
------------------/
I....................I
I....................I
I....................I
I....................I
I....................I

The toothpicks are represented by the -----s, IIIIIIIs, \\\\\\\s, and the ///////s.
The........s aren't toothpicks I needed them to take up space.

Can you make Wilbur look the other way while only moving two toothpicks?

Enjoy.....
this one shouldn't take you guys too long.

Kernelhoover

[CaesarCornelius]

Ok, the toothpick one is giving me some troubles. Perhaps I have the figure wrong, are there actually only 7 toothpicks? DOes wilbur have to face the exact opposite direction??


CC

[whosonfirst]

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[kernelhoover]

Yes there are seven toothpicks. Yes he does have to "FACE" the other way.

hint: facing the other way doesn't neccesarily mean turning around.

[whosonfirst]

Allright, I'll take out the pictures this time.

If the toothpicks are on a piece of paper to begin with, you can move the two legs(?) to the the top so that they point upwards. Rotate the paper, et voila!

Of course this only qualifies as an answer in the paper's frame of reference. Any other frame and they're all moving.

[kernelhoover]

This works. So I'll pass the torch to you whosonfirst.

However there is another way to make wilbur look the other way even without using a piece of paper.You have to use your imagination to see it though.

If you move the two toothpicks that make up his nose you can make wilbur turn his head and "look the other way"

I apologize for my terrible diagram......
You really have to get out toothpicks or draw it on paper.

-------------------/
I.................../
I................/
I............../ Wilbur's nose
I...............\
I.................\
I...................\
------------------\
I....................I
I....................I
I....................I
I....................I
I....................I

[whosonfirst]

ok here's my question -

Pluto is a runt of a planet, far, far away from the sun. How does it rank in size compared to all the other bodies in the solar system?

[therealcrackers]

Pluto is smaller than Earth's moon, and has only 2% of the Earth's mass. It is smaller than the other 8 planets, as well as big moons like Ganymede, Titan, Callisto, and I think even Europa and Io. It and its moon Charon are very closely linked; Pluto was so small its presence was INFERRED by Percival Lowell in the 1910s, but only actually discovered by another astronomer at the Lowell observatory in Arizona is 1930.

[whosonfirst]

Sorry the realcrackers try again.

Can I get a answer in the form: x th
eg. Pluto is the 9th largest planet, and the x th largest body.

[saskmedman]

Okay, here's what my googling came up with. Pluto is the smallest of 9 planets, and there are also 7 moons bigger than it is, which would make it the 16th largest body. If you include the sun in this, it would be 17th I suppose. Hope that's right!

Rod

[whosonfirst]

You've got it. Your conch.

here's a list of moons larger than Pluto -
The Moon (Earth)
Io (Jupiter)
Europa (Jupiter)
Ganymede (Jupiter)
Callisto (Jupiter)
Titan (Saturn)
Triton (Neptune)

[bearman14]

Hey Caesar: I noticed you've updated the standings for the quiz today -- aren't you supposed to be on your honeymoon or something?! Man, that's some commitment to the Quiz! That should be worth an extra point in itself!!!

Bearman

ps) Congratulations, by the way :)

[CaesarCornelius]

Hey

The lady and I went just decided to book a weekend getaway and then take our 'honey moon' in december or next summer some time.


But yes, I am diligently updating the standings as people receive the conch, although I did take saturday off (:lol )!!

**There was actually an explosion in halifax today right by Dal and I can actually see the grain elevator from my house. They are evactuating people from the south end of halifax, but I stay at my post printing ID's and updating the saskatchewan forum... I think there should be a heritage moment made about me...**

www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/08/07/halifax_blast030807 (http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2003/08/07/halifax_blast030807)

CC

Thanks for the congrats.

[saskmedman]

Sorry about the delay in posting my question. I'm going to be the end of this thing. Hope you all haven't abondoned the quiz yet, as we are closing in on Dal. Ok, here's my next question. We are all familiar with the song "Danke Schoen". Name three movies whose soundtracks feature this classic. Good luck!

Rod

[Jerika81]

1) Ferris Bueller's Day Off
2)Meet the Parents
3)Vegas Vacation

www.waynenewton.com/danke.html (http://www.waynenewton.com/danke.html)

[saskmedman]

Nice one Jerika! Not the three I had, but I guess there are lots. You're next!

[Jerika81]

OK, I'm pretty sure this one is not googleable.

Since I have just been named a Fulmar (U of Cs class of 2006), I'll ask you a question about my class, which I can already see is full of awsome people after only 4 days together (saw our first patient today by the way!!).

So, what 3 time Olympic medalist is a member of our class?
and
The son of what famous politician is in our class?

If this ends up being too hard (ie taking more than a couple days) then I'll give it to the first person who gets one of them right.

[medicator007]

I've come to believe that Google might nearly have the answer to anything... so here is my shot at the first part of your question (are two parters even permitted?:p ).

Curtis Myden is a 3-time olympic medalist for Canada who retired from swimming on November 26th, 2002 with "Sights on a new career in the medical field".

www.swiminfo.com/lane9/news/4513.asp (http://www.swiminfo.com/lane9/news/4513.asp)

But I have NO clue as to the latter, perhaps Google does not know all?!

Maybe I can get this conch thing?

Medicator

[therealcrackers]

And I think the second part would be the son of a former Calgary MP and leader of a political party. So Preston Manning's son, and I think his name is Stephen.

[Jerika81]

Wow, that's impressive. You are both right except that it's David Manning who is in our class.

I guess since Medicator was first he can take the next question, but maybe you should both get a point.

[medicator007]

Nothing impressive really... just all about getting the right keywords for google to do its thing ;)

Here goes my question:

Which genus of animals contains a species that routinely projects part of its skeleton outside of its body and which bone is it?

Hint: It is a member of the herpetofauna!

NB... I am not considering teeth/fangs/tusks as part of the skeleton. This a bone that humans have

Best of luck!
Medicator

Edited to add hint....

[V]

This thread is really working well.

[V]

Is it the bearded dragon?

[medicator007]

V,

Thats not the animal I was thinking of and based on my knowledge of the bearded dragon I can't think of which bone it would project from its body. However, if you can provide a reference for this I'd be more than happy to hand over the conch!

Cheers,
Medicator

[V]

The only reference I have is:

V et al, 2003. Premed Forum. Wong Publications Inc. 211-212.

[medicator007]

Alas, while nobody would dare argue that the Premed Forum is not an extremely reliable reference for medical school information... it is not one of the leading Herpetological sources.

Sorry...

Medicator

[UOMeds06]

No, no! As the publisher of that article, I concur...the bearded dragon.

UOMeds06 (Wong Publicist)

[medicator007]

As much as I'd love to pass the conch based on that, I am concerned about setting a precedent. Whereby we can all cite Wong et al. as a sort of trivia Holy Grail...

Should I post the answer? A new questions? How does this work?..... mods?

Medicator

[Ian Wong]

Which genus of animals contains a species that routinely projects part of its skeleton outside of its body...I don't know the answer but that sounds painful...

I'm not sure what is supposed to happen now (no one's ever stumped the whole forum before). :)

Ian

[saskmedman]

I would suggest that since you stumped the entire forum, you should be awarded a point an be allowed to post the next question. Way to go!

[Dr Love]

The gastric brooding frog? It projects a whole offspring from its mouth after incubation in the stomach. now the question asked which animal routinely projects part of its skeleton from its body, and technically an offspring carries half of the genetic material of each parent so it could be argued that half of the body is from the mother who is projecting it out of her mouth.

L8er

PS i'm pretty sure you won't accept that answer but i thought it was worth a shot.

[medicator007]

Dr. Love.... interesting suggesting for the answer, definately an example of thinking outside the box ;) But not what I was thinking of.

Actually the Bolitoglossan Salamanders are the answer, they feed by the tongue projection method (similiar to most frogs, they literally FIRE their tongues at an obscene velocity towards the target) as part of the design, the salamander's HYOID bone actually routinely exits the body along with the tongue, such that the whole apparatus is actually held in by its equivalent of the sterno and thyro-hyoid muscles...I don't know if that is painful or not but from my professor told me this is the only example of an animals skeleton routinely leaving the body.

My New Question:
Which Hall of Fame referee officiated the Montreal Canadiens game that erupted into an infamous riot immediately following the suspension of Maurice Richard?


Medicator

[Dr Love]

My guess is Frank Udvari, but i'm not 100% sure

L8er

[kosmo14]

I am guessing Red Storey, but I too am not too sure.

[medicator007]

Sorry doc love..... The conch goes to Kosmo14... it was indeed the legendary Red Storey who worked that game.

Medicator